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From eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Wed Mar 26 19:48:34 2008 Return-Path: Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (tarsus.bollow.ch [82.195.230.222]) by plus11.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m2R0mYH21992 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:48:34 -0500 Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tarsus.bollow.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0173AB28114; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:49:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:48:21 +0100 Message-ID: <20080327014821.13157.62690.Mailman@tarsus.bollow.ch> From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #84 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Grammar/etc in ED (jorge penafiel) (Al Sardinas) 2. Master/Complete Master (Al Sardinas) 3. Re: Moro moro plays as BASIS for most Eskrima (Al Sardinas) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:16:25 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Grammar/etc in ED (jorge penafiel) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Penafiel, I too had a great time in Orlando but don't thank me for something you always had - courage. Just thank Ray for allowing us to be riders in his bus (ED). Do you remember those days when as kids from different families and backgrounds rode the bus on a long field trip? Sometimes the trip was better than the destination! Love the ride just hate those forced stops - when Ray goes away and the list is down. Respectfully, Al Sardinas A Student of the Garimot System of Arnis An ED Addict --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:25:14 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Master/Complete Master Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good readings on the subject of what a Master is and the attributes that he or she must possess. However, in all the requirements pertaining to physical superiority I tend to disagree. I know of two masters (one FMA, one Karate) who are confined to wheelchairs. Does their limited physical dexterity depreciate them from being acknowledge as masters? Also, as masters get old and their physical skills diminish with age, do they cease being masters? On the subject of Complete Master, my definition is simple: a master who can easily adapt and overcome any situation regardless of what martial art system or style is a complete master. Respectfully, Al Sardinas A Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Moro moro plays as BASIS for most Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Erwin Harry Vicente Legaspi wrote "I would like to know if any of you have any information regarding the involvement of moro moro/komedya plays in not only preserving the art of eskrima, BUT actually standardizing the curriculum and teaching and training methods of many styles of eskrima (pedagogy). I believe this to be so b/c of various common denominators in 'many' styles of eskrima (not all): 1) the prolific usage of Spanish for an indigenous art, 2) the prolific usage of sticks, particularly arm-length sticks (not staff or spear length as was the primary weapon in pre-Hispanic Philippines), 3) the common 1-5 numbering system, and 4) the artistic references to 'play' and the usage of 'sayaw' or dance as a teaching and training methods. I believe the moro moro play acted as the common denominator for many eskrima styles and seems to be a point worth considering, mainly b/c it is a form of theater that 1) existed since 1630, 2) actively uses eskrima fight choreography (for which the term 'arnis de mano' came actually), and 3) along with the Pasyon, is a form of theater that existed across most of the archipelago - from North to Christian South, and from city to the village alike - Most of the Philippines contained this type of theater and still to this day. Based on my exposure to Filipino Martial Arts, I can not agree that the Moro-Moro play is a common denominator for most FMA systems. The above components may be typical for all FMA systems but not the combat dances (Moro - Moro) in the Garimot System. Tagalog not Spanish is used for the movements in each dance, both sticks and staff or spears are used along with shields and the number of different strikes exceeds 5. You are correct that the Moro-Moro provides a standard curriculum (there are 30 in Garimot) and is still shown in the streets of the Philippines today. Respectfully, Al Sardinas A Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest