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From eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Thu Apr 3 18:47:11 2008 Return-Path: Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (tarsus.bollow.ch [82.195.230.222]) by plus11.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m33NlA215377 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:47:11 -0500 Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tarsus.bollow.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BD6B285A1; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:49:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:48:21 +0200 Message-ID: <20080404004821.15120.18995.Mailman@tarsus.bollow.ch> From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #92 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Title of DATU (jay de leon) 2. Re: Title of DATU (Tom Howanic) 3. boy kills mom attacker (maurice gatdula) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Title of DATU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi neil: thanks for your input. i agree with you, bot is as scholarly, articulate and knowledgeable as they come. we are lucky to have listmembers like him and others, without naming names so i don't forget somebody and put my mouth in my foot again. just some quick thoughts (not meant to incite). (1) i don't think the use, overuse or abuse of titles is unique to FMA. it exists in varying degrees in other martial arts. i remember one time i was acting as emcee for a martial arts (not FMA) event. extemporaneously, i was introducing guests. i was introducing the next guest who was standing next to me. i introduced him as "master." he sidled closer to me and whispered in my ear, "it's grandmaster." (2) regarding the datu issue, don't forget it was remy presas himself who "invented" and conferred these titles, in his own system of "Modern Arnis." Now i believe other FMA systems or individuals use this title. i am not sure if they are following remy's lead or just like the title. (3) on a personal basis, i like titles in FMA and don't really care or mind what FMA systems use or even "invent." There are some titles i really like. it adds to the "ambiance" of FMA. for example, i like the title "gatpuno." it is so historical, ethnic, particularly descriptive and evocative of those olden times. i wish i could be a gatpuno, lol. remember mayor villegas of manila? i believe he even preferred the title gatpuno to mayor. another jaw-dropping arnis title is "hari" which can literally mean king. but it has supposedly roots to the olden times of arnis, when you had to earn it by combat. by all means, if you have earned it and can defend it, use it. when you lose me is when you start supersizing titles. i always thought that grandmaster was about as high as you could get--until i saw supersized titles like "extra- strength" grandmaster (example only, so as not to have to mention a specific title, lol). finally, you have just made me hungry now just by mentioning adobo is your adobo any good? where do you live? jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com neil.s@dslextreme.com wrote: Bot nice explanation of the Datu title! I have to just pipe in here to say that I sometimes cook my adobo with Datu Puti, it’s not that bad a vinegar brand and I can always find it cheap in my local grocery store hehehe. You know, I'm always surprised at the way some people use and throw titles around in the FMA community, I don’t mean to make this sound racist I have yet to seen a fellow pinoy or pinay abuse titles the same way I have seen non Filipinos who teach FMA the personally (not to say that they don’t use titles I just I don’t ever see it used as exploit ably) Personally I’m kinda disgusted at how liberally I’ve seen people use a title to refer to themselves or blatantly will use another persons name and title in their system that they have never trained under & I am still overly disenchanted with the commercialism of the combat arts. Live well train hard! N.Suarez and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Tom Howanic" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Title of DATU Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:07:59 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree that the "Title" issue is not unique to the FMA. There is a well known Korean martial artists that is calling himself the "Eternal Grand Master!" Google it. What's next? "Grand Puuba Eternal Super-duper Grand Master Blaster Master." tom --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] boy kills mom attacker Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040101090_pf.html --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest