Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #102 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2500 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wood for Canes? (Kel620@aol.com) 2. hardwood for canes (Kim Satterfield) 3. Good Wood for Cane and Stick (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. Re: a good hardwood for a cane... (Felipe Jocano) 5. canes (Ray) 6. Re: canes (Douglas) 7. Re: canes (Ray) 8. Couple More Karambits (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:58:20 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Wood for Canes? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hickory. I also recommend Canemasters.com as a place to get hardwood canes. K. Williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] hardwood for canes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, For a hard wood that is both durable and flexible, you can't beat good old hickory. I have an Espada Y Daga set that I made from hickory ax handles over 20 years ago, have beat the crap out of them over the years, and they are barely dented. The flexibility of the wood is the key; many hard woods are brittle, and won't stand up to a pounding. Hickory is different, hard as nails, but flexible enough to give under the pressure. Give it a few coats of either polyurethane or linseed oil to protect against moisture, and you will have a tool that will serve you well for years. Give it a try, you won't be disappointed. Kim eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2500 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: a good hardwood for a cane... (david foggie) -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: david foggie Subject: Re: [Eskrima] a good hardwood for a cane... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bahi is a good wood for canes as long as it is good quality. Regards david __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest In the words of the late, great John Belushi, "Wise Up" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:55:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Good Wood for Cane and Stick Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hickory, Olive Tree, Apple Tree, Orange or Lemon Tree, Guava Tree, Maple Tree, Mahogany, Purple heart, Cocobolo this is good wood available here in the US (maybe not all over) but you can get it. Philippines?? Well Camagong, Talang, Ibano (Kamagong family tree), Guava, Coffe Tree, Yakal, Maulawin, Malagmat, Red Louan, White Louan, Star Apple, Red Mahogany, Rambutan tree, Bignay tree, citrus trees (Lucban, Kalamansi, Dalanghita, Mandarin, Bungkalot, Lime, lemon), Then Palm tree for Bahi (Anibong, Pugahan, Bunga "Bettle" tree, Kaong, Anahaw at Niyog or Coconut), Then we have Bamboo (Matinik, Buho, Batibot, Sina, Puti, Itim, at Tigreng Kawayan), then we have the famous Rattan Vine wood (Labsika, Palasan, Limuran, Tinikan, and Bukuhan or multiple knod rattan). Hope it helps, by the way, if you are trying to buy "Kamagong" from the Philippines, Log banned still up, so be very carefull to taking them with you are wood log, if you buy them, bring them to Paete, Laguna (Capital Carving of the Philippines) and there a lot of them can help you make that log turn into a good looking cane, or stick even wooden swords. Well, if you need direct contact, just see my Brother Daniel "Garimot" Baet (Eskrimador)for the carving, and my Uncle Gregorio "Goyo" Baet (Eskrimador), Also see Maestro Doy Baldemor(Eskrimador), he is one of our best Wood Carver of Paete, he is the youngest brother of the world reknown Sculptor and Painter "Manny Baldemor". Here in the US, North Carolina, and Colorado, there a lot of "wood" and company does sale wood or ready made "Cane" or dowel already for stick. I believe one of them called Smokey Mountain. I have to look to few small company that I meet during the International Martial Arts Symposium. Hope it help. Sige sa ulit (okay till next), Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] a good hardwood for a cane... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree with David. Sometimes you get bahi sticks that are excessively dry and begin splintering along the grain. Like rattan, you have to look at the ends to see whether the grain (or the fiber) is very compact or not. I've got a bahi stick that I regretted buying as it began to splinter even without my using it. I keep it as an example of my folly :-) Bot PS A tip from a friend of mine - oil the bahi stick regularly. He told me even baby oil will do (nice smelling stick!) although i used the light machine oil, the one for sewing machines :-) --- david foggie wrote: > Bahi is a good wood for canes as long as it is good > quality. > > Regards > > david > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:37:09 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] canes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you're looking for a good cheap cane (the type with a crook) check out a local Feed & Grain store. Stock canes are cheap ($15) and very sturdy. You'll need to cut them to the proper length, but other than that they are perfect and cheaper than speciality martial arts canes. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Douglas" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] canes Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:24:48 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Remember b4 you go out to the street and defend yourself that in order to make that cane legal, (a walking stick you just happen to know how to defend yourself with), (in the USA anyway), it must have a rubber tip on the bottom!! DOUG ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:37 AM Subject: [Eskrima] canes If you're looking for a good cheap cane (the type with a crook) check out a local Feed & Grain store. Stock canes are cheap ($15) and very sturdy. You'll need to cut them to the proper length, but other than that they are perfect and cheaper than speciality martial arts canes. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] canes Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:41:51 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please cite a reference to corroborate that statement. Thanks. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Apr 13, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Douglas wrote: > Remember b4 you go out to the street and defend yourself that in > order to make > that cane legal, (a walking stick you just happen to know how to > defend > yourself with), (in the USA anyway), it must have a rubber tip on the > bottom!! DOUG --__--__-- Message: 8 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:45:06 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Couple More Karambits Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Picked up a couple more karambits I figured I'd mention to the list. The first is a Mantis MK1 folding karambit. The knife has quite a few interesting design features. The handle basically consists of two skeletonized pieces of aluminum, one of which has been cut and bent in such a way to serve as a liner lock. A piece of red anodized aluminum serves as the spacer that keeps the two handle pieces separate. Add a 2 inch curved hawkbilled blade, a pocket clip, and a couple of dime- sized circles that serve as the point the blade pivots around and you've got most of the knife's components. For a $30 folder, the knife opens pretty smoothly, perhaps because of the relatively large pieces that make up the pivot point. The top false edge tucks completely into the handle when folded, which allows for a unique possibility on a folding karambit: a sharp top edge. I spent about 10 minutes with a file, but still have some work to do before I get it sharp. The hole through the handle is the right size, and held in either forward or reverse grip the knife rests fairly well in the hand. So much for the positive; there are quite a few things about the knife that are pretty darn annoying. First, all the handle edges are squared off, resulting in some sharp corners laying against the hand. Perhaps this isn't a fair complaint against a knife that will most likely serve as a hide away defensive blade, but it's clear to me that you couldn't use the MK1 for any length of time without tearing up your hand. And if it is supposed to serve as a hide away knife, what's with all the red anodization? The space that runs the back length of the handle and throughout the karambit's hole as well as the pivot point, are red, a color that does not lend itself to low profile carry. Those sort of fashion over function affectations annoy me to no end. The blade is only beveled on one side, which doubtless cuts down on production costs, though I'm not a big fan of blades that are only sharpened on one side. Fit and finish is about what you'd expect on a cheap knife: the blade is not quite centered up between the slabs, there are some odd, asymmetric gaps between the handle slabs and the spacer, and the pivot point had an asymmetry, too. Using the handle also as the liner lock makes for a gritty, difficult lock disengagement. Moreover, dragging my index finger across the liner while pushing on the blade caused it to disengage, a circumstance that could occur at a critical moment with unpleasant results. Despite these criticisms I consider my money well spent. The MK1 is an interesting effort with some nice features. Mantis is a young knife company; hopefully the unique thinking on display in the MK1 will find more elegant execution down the line. The second karambit is a Kabar Last Ditch Knife, a little wisp of a right angle knife. With a 1 7/8 blade, and about a 5 inch length if measured from point, around the curve, to the end of the handle, the LDK is so diminutive that I couldn't help wondering if it was good for much at all. The needle point and thin, sharp edge can certainly pierce and cut, the question is if there's enough handle to bring the business end into play? The answer is a qualified "yes." Though it would take too much work to describe them, there are a couple of grips that allow the blade to be employed, albeit if employed in the down and dirty manner for which it was designed it's easy to imagine things getting too messy to keep a hold on the knife or, worse yet, it slipping and cutting its user. The hole in the handle that defines most karambits and that would normally serve to anchor the knife in the hand is too small to be of much use in this case. Though I can get my fairly large pinky through it, the resulting blade dangling off my little finger has no utility at all and I can't get any other finger into the hole much past the first knuckle. There's not much need to lighten this tiny little knife, so I'm not sure what that hole is there for. Not sure I'll ever find an excuse to use the LDK, but for $15 it can certainly join my collection without breaking the bank. Later this month I'll be helping out as a role player at the local police academy; think I'll gaff tape the LDK inside the tongue of my boot and see if any of the trainees find it. If it ends up helping raise blade awareness among some future LEOs I'll consider the blade a bargain. Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest