Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #103 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Kali class for MWR (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:08:09 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Atillo Balintawak Seminar NYC 4/26 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Balintawak Arnis-Eskrima Seminar Grandmaster Crispulo "Ising" Atillo Atillo Balintawak is a powerful Filipino martial art developed by Grandmaster Crispulo "Ising" Atillo based on the style of the legendary Grandmaster Doring Saavedra. This art focuses on stickfighting, and its application with bladed weapons, as well as empty hands. Efficiency, and power are put together to produce this fighting system. It is a highly efficient style in combat and tournament situations. This is truly a once in a life time experience. Saturday April 26th, 2008 Time - 10:30am - 5:00pm Cost - $70 pre-paid $95 at the door Pre-register by April 15th. Group discounts available. For more information please contact the following: Guro Doug Pierre @ (212) 614-3250 VILLAGE MARTIAL ARTS INSTITUTE 188 East 3rd Street (Bet. Ave. A & B) New York, NY 10009 **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:06:16 -0400 From: "Zach Fleishman" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] instructor in Louisville KY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Im looking for an eskrima instructor in Louisville KY. I would rather go for an informal atmosphere, if its possible. If anyone knows any good instructors in the area please let me know. Thanks Zach --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: david foggie Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Good Wood for Cane and Stick To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you Gat Puno Baet for the great information re good wood for sticks. GM Roland and I travelled to Paete, Laguna but unfortunately we were there for just one day. We are planning to head back for a few days when his schedule permits. Respectfully, David --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:44:04 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bahi/Oil Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bot Jocano writes: > > I agree with David. Sometimes you get bahi sticks that > are excessively dry and begin splintering along the > grain. Like rattan, you have to look at the ends to > see whether the grain (or the fiber) is very compact > or not. I've got a bahi stick that I regretted buying > as it began to splinter even without my using it. I > keep it as an example of my folly :-) > > Bot > > PS A tip from a friend of mine - oil the bahi stick > regularly. He told me even baby oil will do (nice > smelling stick!) although i used the light machine > oil, the one for sewing machines :-)  > --- david foggie wrote: > > > Bahi is a good wood for canes as long as it is good > > quality. > > > > Regards > > > > david > > > Bot, The Bahi that you got is not old "palm" tree. To get the best "Bahi", the tree should be atleast minimum 35 years old tree, but the bestone would be the 50-75 years old tree. And when you get Bahi, from the root to the half of the trunk is the best "dark" Bahi, the rest is weak and color brownies to the top is white, which is soft fiber "Bahi". The best "Bahi" is the one that came from "Anahaw" tree our Philippine national leaf. Remember the best bahi is the outer part of the O-log, the center of the palm wood is soft fiber too, so you need only the outer layer, not the inner layer un-like "Camagong" the center wood is the hardest part. In palm tree the outer layer, sometime is only 2" to 3" thickness, shave the skin, then you will the "Black" color Bahi, as it going center is turning brown, becaused the center fiber is soft. Now obviously your "Bahi" is maybe not even came from "Anahaw" tree, if not maybe ist the softer part that dried in direct sun. To treat the "Bahi" we used to soked them over a week in "Black" mad, remove all the "sap" from the fiber that "Bugs" is atracted. After a week, then we wash them, and air dried them, under the cieling or the "garage" with air betilation and no direct "'sunlight", to prevent of drying to fast and caused of cracks the fiber. When it air dried, the fiber driend slowly and firmly, and the "maddy black" color even up the color of the bahi. Now after you dried them, now you can cut your desired lenght and shape them as desired shape, sanding or file them to smooth the wood, then you can apply any type of oil, not necessary expensive, all you want is to become "water resistant" the wood and preserve the wood of keeping best wood, flexi, durable and hard. Traditionally we used "coconut" oil, since that is the common oil we used and it make also a lot of sense that palm Tree treated by palm oil. Kamagong not necessarily be oil, and other wood, be carefull oiling other wood, some wood is brittle when is wet, by any type of fluid. The reason why we dried them "air dry" to slowwly shrink the fiber together and tight and firm. In experienced, by the wqy I am a wood carver whole my life, we soaked the wood in water or any type of fluid before carving them, it easy to carved any kind of wood when is wet. My "razor" sharp chisel that i used is get trough it ea sily and not much effort of using my "mallet". By experienced to it easy to cut the live tree or wet with machete, than dried wood. So you can see the value of drying your wood, it will stand more than any wood or blade. Hope it help to some seeking "Knowledge" how to make your own stick, Bahi or other "wood" . Sa ulit, (till next), Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:47:37 -0400 From: Mike Casto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] instructor in Louisville KY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I is one :-D I teach at Louisville Martial Arts Academy. My classes are pretty informal but since I'm in someone else's school and there are often other classes going on simultaneously we do have to keep it toned down some (mostly this relates to use of profanity but I do reserve some of the more violent things for classes when kids aren't around). My group isn't all that large - about 10 who train with me regularly and another 5 or so who come in sporadically ... this means 4 - 6 people per class. I've got a pretty diverse group of students - a couple of women, several "older" guys (ranging from mid 40s - late 60s), a mix of backgrounds from almost nothing to 30+ years in other martial arts. I've got people who are or were law enforcement and military. We're pretty laid back and train with an eye toward practical application. You can find out more about the school where I teach and my classes at http://louisvillemartialarts.net Hope to hear from you soon, Mike Zach Fleishman wrote: > Hey Im looking for an eskrima instructor in Louisville KY. I would > rather go for an informal atmosphere, if its possible. If anyone knows > any good instructors in the area please let me know. > > Thanks > Zach > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Taimanglo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali class for MWR Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am currently working as a Morale Welfare and Recreation coordinator here in Iraq, basically what that means is I provide soldiers with ways to take thier minds off of the war. Some of us man internet cafes or phone centers, or gyms. I am in charge of a gym, and I told my manager that I wanted to put together a Kali class, to which he said that anything full contact is frowned upon by KBR, (they don't want a soldier's chain of command to get mad because a soldier got injured during an event). I know I can put together a fun Kali program, but I feel it may be a battle to convince the powers that be that a stick fighting program can be conducted safely. (While deployed, I used to teach my fellow soldiers Kali with broom sticks, and nothing else, with no injuries). Any suggestions to convince the fearful suits that this can be a great event for soldiers to attend? --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali class for MWR Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:15:22 -0400 From: dfeldmn20@aol.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Eric, Have you considered implementing?padded gloves for rattan stick training and padded sticks w/ safety glasses for light sparring? Documenting these safety procedures may convince the powers to be that you have developed a training program with safety in mind. Derek -----Original Message----- From: Eric Taimanglo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:12 am Subject: [Eskrima] Kali class for MWR I am currently working as a Morale Welfare and Recreation coordinator here in Iraq, basically what that means is I provide soldiers with ways to take thier minds off of the war. Some of us man internet cafes or phone centers, or gyms. I am in charge of a gym, and I told my manager that I wanted to put together a Kali class, to which he said that anything full contact is frowned upon by KBR, (they don't want a soldier's chain of command to get mad because a soldier got injured during an event). I know I can put together a fun Kali program, but I feel it may be a battle to convince the powers that be that a stick fighting program can be conducted safely. (While deployed, I used to teach my fellow soldiers Kali with broom sticks, and nothing else, with no injuries). Any suggestions to convince the fearful suits that this can be a great event for soldiers to attend? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali class for MWR Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:53:55 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If Roger Carpenter is still there teaching police recruits you might chat with him. He was teaching Inayan Eskrima there in addition to Karate. See a pic of him with Mike Inay at http://kansaskarateinstitute.com/instructors.htm Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Apr 14, 2008, at 8:12 AM, Eric Taimanglo wrote: > I am currently working as a Morale Welfare and Recreation > coordinator > here in Iraq, basically what that means is I provide soldiers with > ways > to take thier minds off of the war. > > Some of us man internet cafes or phone centers, or gyms. I am in > charge > of a gym, and I told my manager that I wanted to put together a Kali > class, to which he said that anything full contact is frowned upon > by > KBR, (they don't want a soldier's chain of command to get mad > because a > soldier got injured during an event). > > I know I can put together a fun Kali program, but I feel it may be a > battle to convince the powers that be that a stick fighting > program can > be conducted safely. (While deployed, I used to teach my fellow > soldiers Kali with broom sticks, and nothing else, with no > injuries). > > Any suggestions to convince the fearful suits that this can be a > great > event for soldiers to attend? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest