Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #105 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2500 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: canes (Ray) 2. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #103 Message 6Morale Welfare & Recreation Coordinator (Pananandta@aol.com) 3. Cebu or Manila to live and train in FMA (Mr Elrik Jundis) 4. Re: Cebu or Manila to live and train in FMA (jay de leon) 5. Re: Remy's datus (Bo Kaner) 6. Stick/Bahi and More/Quiapo, Manila (gatpuno@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] canes Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:46:18 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good info, but nothing that would hold up in court, imho. Bottom line, if a LEO is looking for a reason to bust you they might use that as the excuse, but it is doubtful. Most, at least many, walking sticks that are sold do not have a rubber tip on them. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net > ... I wrote to Cane Masters ( as > I am studying the cane) and they replied such: > > "As far as the rubber tip goes, we haven't heard any word that > definitively states a cane must have a rubber tip on it to be "legal" > but it doesn't make sense not to have a rubber tip; it would be very > slippery on any hard surface, plus the end would be more apt to be > damaged (speaking about a wood cane here). In my judgment, the > perception of having a cane on your person without a rubber/protective > tip would lend it to be viewed as more than a walking/support device, > and thus, if used for self defense, could be construed as more of an > offensive versus defensive weapon. " --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:54:32 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #103 Message 6Morale Welfare & Recreation Coordinator Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You can get somebody to teach them knife throwing or shooting the blowgun. After learning the basics, they can even compete with one another. By the way: There is an annual knife throwing tournament (October) that is held in Austin, Texas sponsored by the International Knife Throwers Hall of Fame (IKTHOF). There is also an annual tournament in shooting the blowgun - in the US usually held in PA. The last international competition sponsored by the International Fukiyado Association (IFA, based in Nagaoka, Japan) on blowgun shooting was held in France in 2007. I am a member of the IKTHOF and the IFA. APM Message: 6 From: Eric Taimanglo _aresattendant@yahoo.com_ (mailto:aresattendant@yahoo.com) Subject: [Eskrima] Kali class for MWR I am currently working as a Morale Welfare and Recreation coordinator here in Iraq, basically what that means is I provide soldiers with ways to take thier minds off of the war. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Elrik Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Cebu or Manila to live and train in FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are a lot of factors to consider. Are you a foreign national - then legally you can only purchase a condo (but there are work ways around that). Is this just for vacations or setting up a permanent training house for yourself and others? What systems are you interested in? What kind of fighting is of interest to you? What kind and level of lifestyle do you want? Where are you at in your training: newbi, intermediate, instructor, competitor, fighter? Some systmes and instructors arebetter depending on your level. Also keep in mind that the instructoryou've been waiting to train with could die or move out the country. How long do you want to train in one system. What do you want accomplish out of your training. Manila is very different from Cebu. There is also a specific feel to the systems of found in Cebu City verses other parts of the Philippines. Metro Manila has some of the worst air pollution and traffic in the world with a population around 11 million. Metro Cebu while growing is still only 2 Million. I am a city boy so I choose Manila, (after SF Cebu just felt small). I just like it more at this point in my life. Also I still am not fluent in Tagalog - and I don't want to switch gears into Visayan. I live in the Philippines now but I am a US Citizen. I also traveled here in 93, 97, and 2002 to mostly train in FMA. I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area - and if you want access to number of different FMA styles with good training communities and instructors my old home works as well. It really comes down to what do you want to train in and can you make it work. Some systems will only take you if you are loyal just to them. If you want to train with multiple systems, your people skills and integrity must be high. Otherwise eventually someone will want to hurt you. Depending on who you trained with in the US, the styles and methodologies can vary greatly even for the same system. Also who do you want to associate with? Depending on your economics you will be operating with varying levels of society. Economics greatly separate different groups - can you maintain your boundaries while honoring your new communities. Most of the folks I trained with were salt of the earth, earning 10% of the minimum wage in San Francisco. Though now I've also trained with groups, whose lifestyle exceeds my lifestyle back home. For many, your training community becomes your new family. I've trained with different groups all over the Philippines and imho the greatest variety lives in Manila. Manila is also only a few hours away from places like Laguna, Pampanga, and Batangas if you want to go hunting for lost and unknown masters (though Manila has enough). That all said, Cebu is a different experience all together: I don't think there is another part of the Philippines where your Cab driver, Barber, and your local street vendor have a 50/50 chance of being competent escrimadors. (Ok maybe not 50/50 but if you are looking it's high). In the late 80's my father had asked a cab driver in Cebu to take him to an Escrima master - of course the other drivers said to see Doce Pares. But my dad decided to go with this old man who had a certain look to him. He ended up taking my dad to meet GM Ondo Caburnay of Lapunti Arnis - The Driver turned out to be his Ondo's Dad - Filemon the original GM. My suggestion, if you have the money and time to just train, I would seek out a guide - rent out a place and experience both first. Rent is usually First, Last, and current months rent. It can also be anywhere P7,000 to up for a place an American would be comfortable with. With the right mindset, the Philippines is a great place to live and explore. Good Luck. Elrik Jundis Once upon a time a new grasshopper. Still a grass hopper, just not so green. :) -- __--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:17:42 -0600 From: "Gordon Walker" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] good place to buy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, in terms of most fma stylists per capita, where would be ã better place to buy property? Cebu or Manila? I am tending to Go more towards Manila because Ihooked up with Rommel Tortal there, but I hear Cebu is beautiful. Yoour opinions would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Gord -- __--__-- _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Cebu or Manila to live and train in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. Jundis: very perceptive observations and excellent suggestions for someone who i assume grew up in the US (you do not speak Tagalog fluently). i have nothing to contribute but have questions for you personally. just curious. do you intend to stay in the philippines indefinitely, or for a finite time to learn more arnis? do you have a support network over there (relatives, friends, referrals), or did you figure all of this on your own? fwiw, i have a different situation. i left the philippines as a young adult, i travelled all over the phil while still living there, and i have been back many times. Even though i have been gone for a while now, i can probably still negotiate the phil. on my own. and i still have numerous support people back there-- distant relatives, former classmates, former arnis guros and friends, etc. i might end up retiring there on a part time basis, and i am curious what your own personal experience and conclusions are. if you want to continue this dialogue off line, that would be fine with me. your call, sir. thanks, jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Mr Elrik Jundis wrote: There are a lot of factors to consider. Are you a foreign national - then legally you can only purchase a condo (but there are work ways around that). Is this just for vacations or setting up a permanent training house for yourself and others? What systems are you interested in? What kind of fighting is of interest to you? What kind and level of lifestyle do you want? Where are you at in your training: newbi, intermediate, instructor, competitor, fighter? Some systmes and instructors arebetter depending on your level. Also keep in mind that the instructoryou've been waiting to train with could die or move out the country. How long do you want to train in one system. What do you want accomplish out of your training. Manila is very different from Cebu. There is also a specific feel to the systems of found in Cebu City verses other parts of the Philippines. Metro Manila has some of the worst air pollution and traffic in the world with a population around 11 million. Metro Cebu while growing is still only 2 Million. I am a city boy so I choose Manila, (after SF Cebu just felt small). I just like it more at this point in my life. Also I still am not fluent in Tagalog - and I don't want to switch gears into Visayan. I live in the Philippines now but I am a US Citizen. I also traveled here in 93, 97, and 2002 to mostly train in FMA. I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area - and if you want access to number of different FMA styles with good training communities and instructors my old home works as well. It really comes down to what do you want to train in and can you make it work. Some systems will only take you if you are loyal just to them. If you want to train with multiple systems, your people skills and integrity must be high. Otherwise eventually someone will want to hurt you. Depending on who you trained with in the US, the styles and methodologies can vary greatly even for the same system. Also who do you want to associate with? Depending on your economics you will be operating with varying levels of society. Economics greatly separate different groups - can you maintain your boundaries while honoring your new communities. Most of the folks I trained with were salt of the earth, earning 10% of the minimum wage in San Francisco. Though now I've also trained with groups, whose lifestyle exceeds my lifestyle back home. For many, your training community becomes your new family. I've trained with different groups all over the Philippines and imho the greatest variety lives in Manila. Manila is also only a few hours away from places like Laguna, Pampanga, and Batangas if you want to go hunting for lost and unknown masters (though Manila has enough). That all said, Cebu is a different experience all together: I don't think there is another part of the Philippines where your Cab driver, Barber, and your local street vendor have a 50/50 chance of being competent escrimadors. (Ok maybe not 50/50 but if you are looking it's high). In the late 80's my father had asked a cab driver in Cebu to take him to an Escrima master - of course the other drivers said to see Doce Pares. But my dad decided to go with this old man who had a certain look to him. He ended up taking my dad to meet GM Ondo Caburnay of Lapunti Arnis - The Driver turned out to be his Ondo's Dad - Filemon the original GM. My suggestion, if you have the money and time to just train, I would seek out a guide - rent out a place and experience both first. Rent is usually First, Last, and current months rent. It can also be anywhere P7,000 to up for a place an American would be comfortable with. With the right mindset, the Philippines is a great place to live and explore. Good Luck. Elrik Jundis Once upon a time a new grasshopper. Still a grass hopper, just not so green. :) -- __--__-- -- __--__-- _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bo Kaner Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Remy's datus To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, james, greetings! It is true that when GM Presas was teaching in UNO-R he never used the term datu. If i may add, he had a student who refused to study his arnis because he was already being taught by the Late GM Nono Mamar. According to this student, GM Presas was irked and he wants to meet the late GM Nono Mamar. They met and they became friends after the meeting. Just to add to your researce. God bless. Bo Message: 5 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 03:31:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Remy's datus To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Derobio Man, You're right there. GM Presas didn't use the title Datu for himself. He was a PE teacher at the Criminology Department of the University of Negros Occidental-Recoletos (UNO-R) in Bacolod City. He would have been a laughing stock of the academe if he did. James U. Sy Jr. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 6 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:40:22 -0400 From: gatpuno@aol.com Subject: [Eskrima] Stick/Bahi and More/Quiapo, Manila Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bot, You know there some store by Quiapo, that sell good Bahi not shape stick or sword yet, since the bahi thay sell is for axe Handle and sledge hammer. I got few of them my last visited Manila. Also right on the "Ilaling ng Tulay" (Under pass) store name "Balikbayan" there some good Bahi and Kamagong already finish stick product, is quite strong and old wood. So check this out may be you can get lucky and get some good deal on it. And you heading to Laguna, take Via Rizal, and right after Anguno, there some "Bahi" that was selling on the side stree, as you enter Laguna, by there some side store selling some Rattan Funrniture (Bed, Chair) and you can stop and ask about Bahi and Kamagong. Well worth to check this out too. Hey hope it serve a little to those in need some info where to get them in "manila". And off-course you can go to Paete for sure, I am working and getting more stick and wood available in Paete. My Uncle Gregorio Baet is selling some item in his store in Paete. Hope tocarry some traditional "Wooden" mask we used during Holy Weeks, Eskrima Matches on the street. Anyway, possibilities is there, just need aliitle guidance form me.. Salamat, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Reasearch Center USA www.garimot.com Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Bahi/Oil To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net HI GatPuno; Unfortunately, when i got the stick it was already a finished product, varnished and everything...I don't have access to raw anahaw wood, but these tips of yours are very valuable, I will file them away. Most likely, since the sticks were varnished, they were probably dried in the sun hence the proneness to cracking. 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