Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 02:48:24 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #125 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? (Kristine Strasburger) 2. Re: Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? (Ray) 3. San Francisco FMA Seminar and Tournament this weekend! (Joseph Camins) 4. Re: Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? (adam babb) 5. USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge (Lawrence, Marc J.) 6. Tuhon McGrath Pekiti Tirsia Chicago seminar (Sidney Stein) 7. Re: USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge (Daniel Arola) 8. Re: USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge (Tom Howanic) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristine Strasburger To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, What makes you think that the shield in this picture is upside down? For the shape of this shield, it would make absolutely no tactical sense to have the straight edge at the top. The curved edge shown gives the head better protection, and allows for peeking around. Also, the arm straps are located above the mid-point in this sculpture, making for better mobility and balance in use. If you are thinking that the whole shield is upside down then the arm straps would be in the wrong position. If you are thinking that the sculptor might have placed the arm straps correctly, but placed the shield proper upside down, then this is a moot point. Kristine Strasburger www.HeartlandEskrimaSchool.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:20:05 Subject: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu statue ? Which major statue of Lapu-Lapu is it where they have him holding a shield, but it is upside-down? The one in/near Luneta Park in Manila or the one in Cebu? Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu statue ? Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:24:14 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This is the one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lapu-Lapu.jpg Ray --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 06:18:50 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All good questions, so it is easy to see how the artist was probably thinking. See http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~heraldry/h_filipino_2.gif for one with proper orientation. The curved part is down to better protect the legs. The flat part is up for better vision. Ray On May 13, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kristine Strasburger wrote: > Ray, > > What makes you think that the shield in this picture is upside down? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Joseph Camins To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:35:28 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] San Francisco FMA Seminar and Tournament this weekend! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The 1st West Coast WFMAA Regional Seminar & Laban Laro Tournament will be held in San Francisco, CA, co-hosted by Grandmaster Robert Castro of the ESKABO DAAN, headquartered in San Francisco, CA. May 17th Saturday, 9:00am - 6:00pm WFMAA Regional Seminar Lowell High School Gymnasium 1101 Eucalyptus Drive San Francisco, CA 94132 Featuring Punong Guro Myrlino P. Hufana Hufana Traditional Arnis International, Bellevue, WA Grandmaster Robert Castro Eskabo Daan, San Francisco, CA Guro Carlito Bonjoc Mata sa Bagyo, Stockton, CA Guro Michael Giron Original Giron Escrima, Vallejo, CA May 18th Sunday, 9:00am - 5:00pm WFMAA Regional Laban Laro Tournament Lowell High School Gymnasium 1101 Eucalyptus Drive San Francisco, CA 94132 Event Cost 2 EVENTS (Masters Seminar & Laban Laro Tournament) $130.00 pre-registered BEFORE May 3rd $160.00 AFTER May 3rd MASTERS SEMINAR ONLY (Saturday) $85.00 pre-registered BEFORE May 3rd $105.00 AFTER May 3rd LABAN LARO COMPETITORS ONLY (Sunday) $55.00 pre-registered ONLY (unlimited divisions) LABAN LARO SPECTATOR (Sunday) $5.00 per person (pay at the door / day of event) All-pre-registrations MUST be postal dated May 1st The spectator fee is $20.00 for the seminar part and $5.00 for the tournament! http://www.worldfma.com/regionalevents.html ( for more info) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu Sculpture Shield upside down????? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net well if they used there sheild the same as europeans than the round side goes down adam --- Ray wrote: > All good questions, so it is easy to see how the > artist was probably > thinking. > > See > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~heraldry/h_filipino_2.gif > > for one with proper orientation. The curved part > is down to better > protect the legs. The flat part is up for better > vision. > > Ray > > > On May 13, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kristine Strasburger > wrote: > > > Ray, > > > > What makes you think that the shield in this > picture is upside down? > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:58:43 -0500 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Subject: [Eskrima] USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge By Marc Lawrence A challenge has been presented to the FMA community in the form of a tournament. In February of 2009 in Anaheim, California at the USFMAF tournament there will be an open padded weapons division. CHANBARA (a Japanese fighting organization) members will fight FMA fighters in tournament. There will be in late August 2008 in Southern California, a clinic on the rules of the tournament. Members of USFMAF and Chanbara will meet for some friendly sparring and a roll out of the rules. The final date and location will be announced soon. This is from the Chanbara web site: Historically, the sword was employed in battle, as well as knives, spears and staves and today these weapons are still as harmful as they were thousands of years ago. The introduction of new age materials enables the traditionalist or combatant to efficiently and safely train for combat - or a martial arts tournament. The five traditional weapons used in Chanbara tournaments and sparring are: 1. Tanto (18-inch knife) 2. Kodachi (24-inch short sword) 3. Choken (40-inch long sword) 4. Yari/naginata (6-foot spear) 5. Jo and Bo (4-5-6-foot staff) The following five different weapons used in Chanbara are very unique in that they are used for varying lines of defense and attack. The USFMAF is looking to the FMA community for fighters to come out a show the world that FMA is superior to the Chanbara/Japanese fighting system. All FMA padded weapons will be allowed. That means Bankaw (spear) & Kampilan (long sword), double olisi (stick) short and long stick and Espada (sword) y daga (knife) can all be used. There is also discussion about the use of agong (shield) in play. Fore more information contact USFMAF President Darren Tibon @ [angels.disciples@sbcglobal.net] or Regional Sports Organizer Marc Lawrence @ mjlawrence@sbcglobal.net. More information see: http://www.usfmaf.org web site or go to www.pakamut-fma-torrance Marc Lawrence Master PAKAMUT-Torrance www.pakamut-fma-torrance.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Sidney Stein To: Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:27:08 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Tuhon McGrath Pekiti Tirsia Chicago seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reminder Tuhon McGrath Pekiti Tirsia seminar When: This weekend May 17-18 Where: Jefferson Park Masonic Lodge 5418 W. Gale Street Chicago Cost: $155 For more info contact Oliver.Carnate@comcast.net 847 217-1436 _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ messenger_052008 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wish you guys the best of luck with this one. This sounds like a lot of fun! I sure wish I could attend, but I'm still stuck way down here in Texas where we throw-down with the good-ol-boys. Rock On! -Daniel Arola Houston Texas "Lawrence, Marc J." wrote: USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge By Marc Lawrence A challenge has been presented to the FMA community in the form of a tournament. In February of 2009 in Anaheim, California at the USFMAF tournament there will be an open padded weapons division. CHANBARA (a Japanese fighting organization) members will fight FMA fighters in tournament. There will be in late August 2008 in Southern California, a clinic on the rules of the tournament. Members of USFMAF and Chanbara will meet for some friendly sparring and a roll out of the rules. The final date and location will be announced soon. This is from the Chanbara web site: Historically, the sword was employed in battle, as well as knives, spears and staves and today these weapons are still as harmful as they were thousands of years ago. The introduction of new age materials enables the traditionalist or combatant to efficiently and safely train for combat - or a martial arts tournament. The five traditional weapons used in Chanbara tournaments and sparring are: 1. Tanto (18-inch knife) 2. Kodachi (24-inch short sword) 3. Choken (40-inch long sword) 4. Yari/naginata (6-foot spear) 5. Jo and Bo (4-5-6-foot staff) The following five different weapons used in Chanbara are very unique in that they are used for varying lines of defense and attack. The USFMAF is looking to the FMA community for fighters to come out a show the world that FMA is superior to the Chanbara/Japanese fighting system. All FMA padded weapons will be allowed. That means Bankaw (spear) & Kampilan (long sword), double olisi (stick) short and long stick and Espada (sword) y daga (knife) can all be used. There is also discussion about the use of agong (shield) in play. Fore more information contact USFMAF President Darren Tibon @ [angels.disciples@sbcglobal.net] or Regional Sports Organizer Marc Lawrence @ mjlawrence@sbcglobal.net. More information see: http://www.usfmaf.org web site or go to www.pakamut-fma-torrance Marc Lawrence Master PAKAMUT-Torrance www.pakamut-fma-torrance.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tom Howanic" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] USFMAF verses CHANBARA Challenge Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:14:47 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not sure how to respond to this. Is this challenge being issued in a spirit of friendship and mutual edification or a test of "superiority"? (There seems to be a mixture in the email.) Care must be taken to insure that the rules are not slanted in either direction. In addition, the FMA has a wide variety of fighting styles. For example, in some FMAs grappling and disarms are allowed in a match. Is this the case in Chanbara? Do the FMA fighters have to call out the part of the body they are hitting? How "padded" are the weapons? Are they stiff enough to allow for a disarm? Are light strikes counted or only powerful strikes? Now don't misunderstand me. I have seen some very good Chanbara fighters, however I don't think one tournament is going to prove which tradition is "superior". This could be a great opportunity for both traditions if handled with humility and respect. If handled carelessly, this may cause some bad blood. Do the Chanbara people have a clue about how challenges are traditionally handled in the FMA? This should be interesting. tom --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest