Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #128 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Cliff Stewart's Camp of the Masters 2008 (Tom Green) 2. re: Cabales Serrada Escrima (michael s) 3. Re: re: Cabales Serrada Escrima (Ray) 4. Re: re: Cabales Serrada Escrima (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 19:22:44 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Tom Green Subject: [Eskrima] Cliff Stewart's Camp of the Masters 2008 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of us in the California area at the end of June. This is a worthwhile, but under-publicized event. Maha Guru Cliff Stewart Hosts Camp of the Masters V June 20-22, 2008. Couprie Martial Arts Studio, 14532 Erwin Street, Van Nuys, CA 91406 Friday June 20, 3-7 p.m. WAR Seminar Saturday June 21, 8-8:30AM | Camp Registration Saturday June 22, 2007, 8:30AM - 5PM | Camp Seminars Sunday June 22, 2007, 8:30AM - 5PM | Camp Seminars The Instructors: Sigung Antoine Alfreiros: Whipping Willow Guro Graciella Casillas: Filipino Knife and Stick Grand Master Dr. Ron Chapél : Sublevel Four Kenpo Ahati Kilindi Iyi: African Martial Arts Guru Thomas Lomax: LA Kilat Pukulan Pencak Silat Sijo Steve Muhammad: Wu Shur Shin Chuan Fa Mestre Dennis Newsome: Capoeira - Angola Maha Guru Cliff Stewart: LA Kilat Pukulan Pencak Silat PLUS guest appearances from surprise instructors. Pre-Registration Fees: Spectators: $75.00 Camp Participants: $99/Day $199 discount package includes 2 days of Camp plus WAR Seminar. Day-of-event fees: WAR Seminar: $75.00 Spectators: $75.00 per day. Camp Participants: $99.00/day or $199/for 2-day package Please Contact Guru Cliff Stewart at (310) 497-1608 Cliffwar@earthlink.net Thanks, Tom --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 00:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: michael s To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: Cabales Serrada Escrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fellow FMA enthusiasts, The publication in the Bedford Times Registar, regarding the Serrada Escrima Seminar with GM D, is a promotion for a World Serrada Escrima Federation seminar. Also taking part in this event will be Punong Guro Tony Marcial of Marcial Tirada Kali The definition of serrada published in the paper was an obvious misprint. I do have a question for the forum unrelated to the discussion points metioned above. I've recently learned that someone I once knew personally many years ago has had rank taken away due to misconduct & less than honorable practices within the martial arts community. The individual is an accomplished martial arts instructor in a number of arts. However, by not representing his instructor as he had been told & by not giving the true representation of the art as instructed to do, the Master was betrayed. Master X then removed this person's instructorship in the art and has officially denounced this person publicly. Would we continue to recognize this instructor as an honorable representative of his other arts which he is also accomplished in? Would we question his further ethics & instruction? Guro Mike --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Cabales Serrada Escrima Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:04:17 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Who is this GM D? Do we know the full name? wrt having rank taken away, there will obviously be differing views on that, but to me that sounds like taking away a high school diploma or college degree once it has been awarded. I suspect that it has occurred in the past, but it is very rare and a rather suspect action. It seems the better action is to simply not permit that person to additional increases in rank and let it be known, yes this person attained rank xyz, but they are no longer directly involved with art ABC. imho Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 08:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: Cabales Serrada Escrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My opinion is that the details as presented are too sketchy to make a judgment on. What does "misconduct" and "betrayed" mean? Also, a master may withdraw instructorship and possibly belt rank, but cannot withdraw skill. So this instructor's ethics may be questionable but he should be judged on his own merits when it comes to his skills. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com michael s wrote: Fellow FMA enthusiasts, The publication in the Bedford Times Registar, regarding the Serrada Escrima Seminar with GM D, is a promotion for a World Serrada Escrima Federation seminar. Also taking part in this event will be Punong Guro Tony Marcial of Marcial Tirada Kali The definition of serrada published in the paper was an obvious misprint. I do have a question for the forum unrelated to the discussion points metioned above. I've recently learned that someone I once knew personally many years ago has had rank taken away due to misconduct & less than honorable practices within the martial arts community. The individual is an accomplished martial arts instructor in a number of arts. However, by not representing his instructor as he had been told & by not giving the true representation of the art as instructed to do, the Master was betrayed. Master X then removed this person's instructorship in the art and has officially denounced this person publicly. Would we continue to recognize this instructor as an honorable representative of his other arts which he is also accomplished in? Would we question his further ethics & instruction? Guro Mike _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest