Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #155 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: My Rank (Andrew Maddox) 2. Re: Question (james jr. sy) 3. Re: Question (B Katz) 4. Re: Question (Felipe Jocano) 5. Re: Hello from Italy (CalixEurope) 6. Very hard Questiion to answer (Toma Rosenzweig) 7. Bruce Tegner (Eric Taimanglo) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:43:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] My Rank Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, jay de leon wrote: > rocky is just proving once again that his romantic as > well as FMA prowess are both equally extreme, > illusory and probably fueled by sildenafil citrate. Dagnabbit, will you edyookated guys quit makin' me go look stuff up like that?!? It makes my feeble old brain hurt even more than usual! %-) But Rocky and Julian (different thread, same idea) as well as many others here do show great attitude - teaching by example, ya know? Me, I got no rank (used to, but I been a civilian for a long time now). Still, I've got a carport, a park nearby and sometimes (when it isn't too messy) a basement that are just calling out for a training group to meet in them. I've said that before, but I'll say it again! Google me, or check madsox.freeshell.org/Kungfu/ for notes about me. Outdated, but mostly harmless! And for what to call me, well, call me just about anything, just don't call me late for dinner ;-) Thanks, y'all! > > > --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Rocky Pasiwk <rockypasiwk@ameritech.net> wrote: > > From: Rocky Pasiwk <rockypasiwk@ameritech.net> > Subject: [Eskrima] My Rank > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 6:39 AM > > Well if I said it once over the years here I have said it 100 times... > > You guys can just call me Rocky > > And Girls......You can call me .......Anytime!...... and by the end of the > night (even if it is only in my imagination) you'll be calling me ..Oh God! > Oh God! Oh God! :-) > -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Being taught the techniques takes a short time. Mastering them is what takes a long time. The answer to your question would be relative, depending on the factors involved. For example you may ask, how much would a welding electrode used in an industrial plant cost. A supplier would immediately point out to you that the cost will depend on the type, size, brand, and other specs that you will be using. In the same manner, the length of time becoming proficient in FMA will depend on the specs involved. Sportive Eskrima would require knowledge of the fundamntal strikes, defenses, and the rules, which can be digested in a relatively shorter amount of time. Combative Eskrima has very simple techniques that can be learned in a relatively short period of time. Theaterical Eskrima would take more time to learn since it will require learning more sophisticated techniques and develop high level technical skills together with grace and beauty. Younger practitioners would usually progress faster than older practitioners, assuming they both started at the same time. This is because younger students have more energy, stamina, flexibility, memory retention, etc. What kind of weapon used can also determine the length of time to be proficient. Like, one may become more proficient faster when he trains with a stick than with a weapon than requires great effort such as a nunchaku. Just how much knowledge and for how long will a teacher give it out will also affect the time for the student to become good. If the teacher gives the knowledge without reservations, learning would be much faster. Gender may come to play also considering that not many women would go full contact. These are just some of the factors that can affect length of study. But for a boxed answer, an average person may acquire some useable self defense skills in 6 months time, shorter if he is gifted. But ultimately, experience will polish and enrich one's proficiency. Hope that helps. James U. Sy Jr. Andrew Krebs wrote: How long would it take an average guy to become good or proficient at Kali, Arnis, and Eskrima? Andrew Krebs Perrysville, Ohio, U.S.A. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Depends. (great answer, huh?) I have been at it off and on for about 5 years and just now am confident in my abilities in applying my eskrima in a real-world situation. I'm a bit of a perfectionist though.   I would say that, if you train hard with a good guro, you should see some level of real ability in a year or so. In our little group, we joke that we trained for the first six months to handle 90% of the bad guys and will train the rest of our lives to handle the other 10%.   I like to think of eskrima like the blues. You can learn 12 bar blues in C in about three weeks and spend the rest of your life learning to play it well. www.eskrimacustoms.com Fine hand-crafted hardwood bastons and training knives Midwest School of Eskrima   --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Question To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not to sound like a smart aleck, but... How much time are you willing to give to learning the arts? What are you willing to give up in order to focus on your goal? How much are you willing to pay, if necessary (some teachers charge fees, some don't) in order to learn? To what extent are you willing to set aside your ego (bruises on the body are nothing compared to bruised egos - the smaller the ego the lesser chance of it being hurt)? That's how long I think it would take to learn the arts enough to be proficient in them. There are many here who have spent most of their lives thus far learning the arts, and while many others consider them very very good (to say the least), they don't consider themselves to be that good or proficient. --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Andrew Krebs wrote: > From: Andrew Krebs > Subject: [Eskrima] Question > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:34 AM > How long would it take an average guy to become good > or proficient at Kali, Arnis, and Eskrima? > Andrew Krebs > Perrysville, Ohio, U.S.A. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:56:07 +0200 From: CalixEurope To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hello from Italy Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My style is not a family style or a style from a specific place of philippines but a mix whit some elements of tradicional italian knife combat...is a little strange :-) you can see some video of my master here: http://it.youtube.com/user/calixacademy http://it.youtube.com/user/firstthedog and here http://it.youtube.com/user/calix6 in Italy there are other kali's school but I'm a beginner and I don't know them :-) bye bye Chiara Ray ha scritto: > Indeed. > > Chiara, what styles of eskrima are you seeing taught in Italy? > > Ray Terry > EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Toma Rosenzweig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:19:20 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Very hard Questiion to answer Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Krebs this is a very hard question to answer. As this is asking HOW fast you learn and how easy Arnis comes to you and What is good?? Know the 12 zones? Know 50-300 stick disarms?? Able to fight in a sparring ring?? Good enough to stop 6 really big guys coming at you to intend to kill you?? Just what is your personal idea of **GOOD** and also: JUST what do you mean by ** Average guy**?? average: what height?, weight?, Average Intelligence?, Average Speed?, Average with no disabilities Are training NOW? do you train in a school/class once a week or 5 times a week this makes a great difference. Are you training with a teacher who is truly transmitting the art?, Do ALL the other senior students doing EXACTLY what the teacher is doing?, or are they off in no-no land doing some other combo or other arts?. I Myself took 100's of Grand Master Remy A. Presas seminars and got very little, but I had a great teacher back then and now I have another great teacher who was able to write down and transcribe all of GM Remy A. Presas teaching and is wonderful. BUT I watched some folks come into his seminars and get all the teaching right way [I hated that of course] but they were able to do that and I was not. So It took me almost 13 years to get my black belt in Aikido [this is my mother art] I will say that if you train hard and do your home work and have a teacher is great and is transmitting --- 4-5 years ?? BUT again all of us are different and see / hear / feel all bit different. ------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Toma [the Old One] Toma's Modern Arnis(c) Main e-Mail: tomawallaikido@earthlink.net ------------------------------------------------------------------ To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Question Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net How long would it take an average guy to become good or proficient at Kali, Arnis, and Eskrima? Andrew Krebs Perrysville, Ohio, U.S.A. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Taimanglo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Bruce Tegner Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] remember bruce tegner? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net wow, the first book i think i saw when i was a boy was in a library on clark air base in the philippines, and bruce tegner wrote them all. here is him with his mom doing jujitsu http://youtube.com/watch?v=97f57NjgXX0 the other books, and my first karate book, is mas oyama "vital karate". my mom gave this to me, when i was 8 years old, living in taiwan. anybody remember that book? I remember Bruce Tegner's self defense book.  I also remember going to Clark Library and seeing Dr Richard Chin and Susan Ribner's "The Martial Arts"... that's the book that started it all for me.  No Philippine Martial Arts in it though. Grr.   Anyway, always a pleasure to hear from someone who lived in Angeles and remembers the good old days at Clark; I also went to the library on a regular basis; did you ever check out thier collection of Black Belt magazines? They had about what seemed like 30 issues packed into this huge black binder... I often had to fight the impulse to just run out the door with it!   Eric --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest