Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #161 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on plus11.host4u.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send Eskrima mailing list submissions to eskrima@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Eskrima digest..." <<---- The Sudlud-Inayan Eskrima/Kali/Arnis/FMA mailing list ---->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU (jo moran) 2. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU (jay de leon) 3. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU (jo moran) 4. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU (jay de leon) 5. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU (Ray) 6. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU--to ray (jay de leon) 7. Scammers (Andrew Krebs) 8. Re: MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU--to ray (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jo moran To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'd always heard that Magellan was killed in a one-on-one duel with Lapu Lapu...not so! Included is link to an eye-witnes account. http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/magellan.htm --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You forgot the part about Lapu-Lapu beheading Magellan, holding his head up for everyone to see, and giving a speech about this is what will happen to all future invaders.   It could have happened, since Pigafetta (the eyewitness) was kinda busy hightailing it out of there in one of the longboats and probably (mercifully) missed that scenario.   Levity aside, remember that this account is a translation, and there could be factual errors in Pigafetta's account. We can assume that Pigafetta did not personally know Lapu-Lapu, and Lapu-Lapu could have been in that group of natives that finished off Magellan.   Just a conjecture.   Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com   --- On Fri, 6/20/08, jo moran wrote: From: jo moran Subject: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:52 PM I'd always heard that Magellan was killed in a one-on-one duel with Lapu Lapu...not so! Included is link to an eye-witnes account. http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/magellan.htm _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jo moran Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dunno, wasn't there either..a little before my time. Maybe I should have elaborated ..always assumed this was, more or less, the accepted version: What I'd heard from Pinoys was the legend that says Ferdinand was quite good at Spanish-style fencing, and that his footwork, reach, etc., gave him an advantage over the king ('one-on one duel'). Well, Lapu Lapu, feigning fear and panic, began to retreat, finally turned, and ran toward the sea. Magellan in close persuit (probably thinking: "This is my day!"), chased him into the surf. Lapu Lapu ran deeper into the water. When they were thigh deep in the sea..Lapu Lapu turned toward the Captain with a smile on his face. In water of that depth, the footwork that had given that had given M. a thrusting advantage, was lost. Lapu Lapu then killed the Spaniard with a single blow from his bolo. Wondering if there are other variations on this story? Jo jay de leon wrote: You forgot the part about Lapu-Lapu beheading Magellan, holding his head up for everyone to see, and giving a speech about this is what will happen to all future invaders. It could have happened, since Pigafetta (the eyewitness) was kinda busy hightailing it out of there in one of the longboats and probably (mercifully) missed that scenario. Levity aside, remember that this account is a translation, and there could be factual errors in Pigafetta's account. We can assume that Pigafetta did not personally know Lapu-Lapu, and Lapu-Lapu could have been in that group of natives that finished off Magellan. Just a conjecture. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Fri, 6/20/08, jo moran wrote: From: jo moran Subject: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:52 PM I'd always heard that Magellan was killed in a one-on-one duel with Lapu Lapu...not so! Included is link to an eye-witnes account. http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/magellan.htm _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net good grief, please do not encourage any more variations.  we have twisted history enough as it is.   on second thought, since it is a slow news day...   Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --- On Sat, 6/21/08, jo moran wrote: From: jo moran Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 3:06 AM Dunno, wasn't there either..a little before my time. Maybe I should have elaborated ..always assumed this was, more or less, the accepted version: What I'd heard from Pinoys was the legend that says Ferdinand was quite good at Spanish-style fencing, and that his footwork, reach, etc., gave him an advantage over the king ('one-on one duel'). Well, Lapu Lapu, feigning fear and panic, began to retreat, finally turned, and ran toward the sea. Magellan in close persuit (probably thinking: "This is my day!"), chased him into the surf. Lapu Lapu ran deeper into the water. When they were thigh deep in the sea..Lapu Lapu turned toward the Captain with a smile on his face. In water of that depth, the footwork that had given that had given M. a thrusting advantage, was lost. Lapu Lapu then killed the Spaniard with a single blow from his bolo. Wondering if there are other variations on this story? Jo _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:50:28 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We don't even know if LapuLapu was present at or even witnessed the event. His men were in the thick of it, but was he? We'll never know. Most likely he viewed the battle, but did not directly participate. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:52 PM, jo moran wrote: > I'd always heard that Magellan was killed in a one-on-one duel with > Lapu Lapu...not so! Included is link to an eye-witnes account. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU--to ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray:   So now you are saying Lapu-Lapu was an armchair general, that he never even participated in the battle of Mactan.  Maybe he was not even there.   Next you will be saying Lapu-Lapu never existed. Such heresy.  Such affront to the Cebuanos, all the Bisayans, all arnisadors.   Of course, you could be right on the first count. Lapu-Lapu could have been indisposed, or had a PTA meeting that day.  We will never know.  Not in this life anyway.  Maybe when we go to the Elysium Fields (arnis section).   Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com --- On Sat, 6/21/08, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 6:50 AM We don't even know if LapuLapu was present at or even witnessed the event. His men were in the thick of it, but was he? We'll never know. Most likely he viewed the battle, but did not directly participate. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Jun 20, 2008, at 4:52 PM, jo moran wrote: > I'd always heard that Magellan was killed in a one-on-one duel with > Lapu Lapu...not so! Included is link to an eye-witnes account. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Krebs To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Scammers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Don't feel bad. I think I had something like that happen to me. I believed it. I gave them some personal info, then my monthly military compensation check came up missing. Luckily the U.S. Federal government fixed it. Andrew Krebs Perrysnille,Ohio,U.S.A. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] MAGELLAN VS LAPU LAPU--to ray Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:01:19 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Not at all! I love Lapu-Lapu... a very good tasting fish. :) Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:00 AM, jay de leon wrote: > Next you will be saying Lapu-Lapu never existed. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest