Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #170 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Open Mind (Andrew Krebs) 2. WELCOME! GM Bobby Tabimina (Gabriel rafael) 3. Re: Pula-Pula (Lapu-lapu vs. Ferdi, (tim) 4. Re: WELCOME! GM Bobby Tabimina (jay de leon) 5. Re: Lapu-Lapu (nephalim1@aim.com) 6. List slow or down (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Krebs To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Open Mind Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think when it comes to martial arts, you have to keep an open mind. I also think it's a good idea to watch first. Each art is differnt. Each one enfisizes on specific things. Mauy Thai enfisizes on stiking and kicking. Aikido on grappling. And Judo and Jiujitsu on ground grappling. Not one art is superior to another. Arnis put alittle twist on things. Two birds with one stone. That's why I find it more efficeient to mix arts. Mauy Thai and arnis can be taught together. And talking about FMA being superior to another. You can't really say that. I've heard stick fighting has a sister art, so to speak. There's an art similar in indonesia. I've even heard Krabi-Krabong in Thailand is similar. But I always feel it's best to cross train. That way you can learn alittle something different. And somethings may be the same. People have tried to argue with me about the relationship between aikido and jiu-jitsu. Jiu-jitsu and judo are the modern form of jujutsu. People don't realize jujutsu was the dominant art in Japan back then. The founder was of a samurai family. And that's what samurai practiced. Ninja made a spin off or differnt style of this. There were many styles of jujutsu then. The founder of aikido took techniques from these various jujutsu and samurai arts, mixed them together, and made aikido. If you don't believe me, there's a book I picked up from the library here. It's called: Aikido and the dynamic sphere by A. Westbrook and O. Ratti. It has some nice illustrations as well. So, Aikido is related to Judo and Jiu-jitsu. Find out for yourself and cross train. Another thing is body type. I have a big body. I workout and lift weights. Someone who is better conditioned could probably overwhelm some one who is not fit-to-fight so to speak. Armor does make a difference. Someone who is wearing armor, and another is not, but has a knife, changes things. The person who is wearing armor has a good defense. And the person with the knife has good offense. But the guy with the sharp pointy object can't do anything unless he knows the weakness of the armoer. And I'm coming to another point here. Samurai knew the weakness of armor. They had specific techniques to stab someone wearing it. They knew if they stabbed through the armpit. They could access the heart. Modern jiu-jitsu does not do this. People don't wear armor anymore. It's not practical. Plus it weighs you down. There was a battle fought in england long ago. One king marched out his knights. Another only marched out peasants wearing no armor. The field was muddy. Quess who won. The peasants. The knights couldn't move around very well in the mud. And the knights would get stuck or slip and slide. And the peasants cut of there heads. The king of the peasants wasn't about to send out his valuable knights. So his loses were minimal. Andy Krebs Perrysville,Ohio,U.S.A. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel rafael To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] WELCOME! GM Bobby Tabimina Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tabimina Balintawak USA and Upakan Bara-Bara Martial Arts   welcomes  GM Bobby Tabimina to California, USA.   The above organizations will host a seminar with special guest GM Bobby Tabimina   on July 12, 2008 in Hayward, California.   Please respond to gabearnis88@yahoo.com  if you are interested to attend the seminar.   The number of seminar participants will be limited on a first come, first serve basis.   Also, please email us if you are interested in private (1-on-1), or group lessons, or wish to sponsor a seminar.   Thank you.   Gabe --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: tim To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Pula-Pula (Lapu-lapu vs. Ferdi, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Of course, European "empire builders" used the > fragmentation and tribalism of the people in areas > they gained control of. Make friends with one > group and use them to attack another is a > strategy as old as humans, the Romans were experts > at it. On both of the American contienents it was > a given strategy. The African slave trade was > based on it. The Iraquois used it to build their > 'empire.' Chinese used it to keep the nomads > squabbling among themselves outside the Wall for > generations. Like a trident, that was one prong of > a multi-prong strategy that was used to conqueor. > > So what? mr. macyoung, i know you have an axe to grind, but i was simply contradicting your assertion that the pike-and-shot tactics of the spanish colunela that was used on european battlefields is what allowed cortes to defeat the aztecs. those tactics weren't used. that's so what. tim --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] WELCOME! GM Bobby Tabimina To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guro Gabe:   Your group has one of the most intimidating names on the planet--Upakan Bara-bara Martial Arts.   Do you mind telling us the etymology, style composition and affiliations of your organization?   Salamat po.   Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Gabriel rafael wrote: From: Gabriel rafael Subject: [Eskrima] WELCOME! GM Bobby Tabimina To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 8:03 AM Tabimina Balintawak USA and Upakan Bara-Bara Martial Arts   welcomes  GM Bobby Tabimina to California, USA.   The above organizations will host a seminar with special guest GM Bobby Tabimina   on July 12, 2008 in Hayward, California.   Please respond to gabearnis88@yahoo.com  if you are interested to attend the seminar.   The number of seminar participants will be limited on a first come, first serve basis.   Also, please email us if you are interested in private (1-on-1), or group lessons, or wish to sponsor a seminar.   Thank you.   Gabe _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:35:03 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just a?question here.? If Lapu Lapu actually killed Magellan they (Lapu x2 and Magellan) would have to seek each other out in the midst of the confusion of battle.? Magellan would have to carry a mental picture of the chief based on descriptions provided by neighboring tribes and Lapu Lapu would have to do the same. Now , unfortunately, to use generalizations and biases, don't all natives and foreigners look alike if they've never met before?? Unless both leaders were admirers of Alexander the Great (who wore a colorful plumage on his helmet to make himself distinct), how can both tell one from the rest of the others.?If your talking about hundreds on one side and thousands on the other and Magellan being reputed?as a great tactician from experience, wouldn't it be foolish to look for someone you've never met and let?all under your command fend for themselves??I too learned it in school as you have.? But most are guilty of adding glamour to a story and history books are no ex ceptions to the rule.? I sincerely hope that you do not subscribe to that Ten Datus bullshit.?The way I see it Lapu Lapu defeating Magellan is like saying Patton defeating Rommel. It wasn't a face off rather it was about credits due to the leader of the winning side.? To quote from a Patton movie, when one soldier said," There goes "Old Blood and Guts". To which another G.I. responded, "Yeah, our blood, his guts!". -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Krebs To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:03 pm Subject: [Eskrima] Lapu-Lapu How many years ago was that battle? Because it was so long ago, that's why nobody really knows. When I studied at P.U.P. in Sta. Mesa, they said Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan himself. Magellan was trying to divide and conquer. Every tribe had a differnet leader. Magellan made friends with a few tribes. There were only 300 spaniards. When he went with some of the other tribes, they opened fire, raining down with arrows. Magellan did retreat. Who knows about fancy footwork. That may be true The portrait looks like they were both standing in the water. But as far as I know, Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan. It's a contraversy like christtianity. The bible was made years after Jesus died. All that was left was memmories of the past. And those people wrote it down. After awhile, things get distorted because people don't remember exactly. Andrew L. Krebs Perrysville,OH,U.S.A. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] List slow or down Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The list will be slow or down until next week. Have a safe and fun 4th (esp to those in the US). 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