Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #172 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Punong Guro Tony Marcial Seminar (dan mcconnell) 2. Re: Garrote Venezolano (Rodriguez Juan Carlos) 3. Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #171 All GJJ certified belt holders (kenbocan@dsuper.net) 4. Kapatid Jay (GatPuno@aol.com) 5. Where to buy; Joe Tan (Marc Denny) 6. Garote Larence/Ven ezuelan Stick Arts (GatPuno@aol.com) 7. Re: Pula-Pula (Lapu-lapu vs. Ferdi, (Marc MacYoung) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: dan mcconnell To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Punong Guro Tony Marcial Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As a reminder, this event is in about 2 weeks: United Modern Arnis will host a seminar with Punong Guro Tony Marcial of Marcial Tirada Kali. Topics will include knife, stick, empty hand and ground work. Where: Hilliard Martial Arts Center 3840 Lacon rd Unit 4 Hilliard Ohio 43026 (suburb of Columbus) When: Saturday July 12th from 10a.m. to 3p.m. Cost: $55.00 pre reg- ends July 4th $65.00 at the door For further information or an emailed flyer please contact Dan McConnell at 614-771-5599 or www.teamhmac.com or email Dan@teamhmac.com. Respectfully, Dan McConnell United Modern Arnis Hilliard Martial Arts Center --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rodriguez Juan Carlos Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Garrote Venezolano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi everybody And I think it was a marvelous experience, because Bruno Cruicchi is a very good man and a long time Silat practitioner (I think from Silat Sterlak heritage) but also a researcher and investigator of different combat systems. I know he has an extensive knowledge of Garrete Larense (Venezolano) and some other systems, like Garrote Canario, Machete, and Filipino's systems. I have tried to invite him to cuba, but I haven't could, although I think it could be possible some time...   Juan Carlos Rodriguez Wing Tchun EBMAS Cuba proteccionrealcuba.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Marc Denny wrote: From: Marc Denny Subject: [Eskrima] Garrote Venezolano To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 6:48 PM Woof All: This past Friday-Sunday I was delighted to host Venezuelan Garotte stickfighting advocate Bruno Cruicchi. Bruno, who avoids all titles whatsoever, is a very interesting man. Christian, born in Egypt, fled with his family at the age of 15 after Nasser came to power, somehow he wound up in Venezuela, where his life long passion for martial arts (including training in FMA and Silat) led him to train in two different lineages of Garrote Venezolano. I was surprised to learn just how extensive GV is. Bruno had several discs of footage shot in Venezuela of the old masters. Very intriguing. The basic areas are stick vs. stick; stick vs. machete, machete vs. machete, knife vs stick or machete, and knive vs. knive and EH vs stick, machete, or knife. The distinctive features that call out to me are: 1) a very evolved media range training 2) DISTINCTIVE FOOTWITH with a strong emphasis on lead changes AND HAND CHANGES 3) lots of drift shots 4) a high percentage of the defense merges the attack, not blocks it 5) many low line attacks (especially to femoral/groin) Bruno agreed to do a DVD with us and we shot instructional footage. The final product will be a combination of cultural (e.g. showing lots of footage of sparring in Venezuela) and instructional. The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog PS: Bruno and I went to Joe Tan's place for his 60th birthday on Saturday night. Some of my fellow old-timers may remember Joe as the second Tapado fighter in Tape 6 "The Stick vs. Other Weapons". It was a pleasure to see Joe for the first time since that day (16 years ago or so!) He remains in formidable shape and gave me a book on Tapado and a tapado stick. In attendance were Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje, various friends from my Lameco days, Pappy Dog, and others. We watched the Pacquiao fight-- WOW. Very impressive--for me I was particulary impressed by the speed at which he recognized and took advantage of openings from many angles. Excellent long range upercut. Brave opponent. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 20:26:49 -0400 (EDT) From: kenbocan@dsuper.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #171 All GJJ certified belt holders Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This unfortunately indicates how twisted this name thing has gotten over the past 15 - 20 years. Not even the other members of the same family (Rickson & Royler) or their students are recognized on this list. Gracie Jiu Jitsu morphed into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu some time ago and although we all owe them an enormous debt of gratitude they have lost sight of the truth of what they imparted to us. Fight or die. There are just too many of the rest of us to either control or to pay attention to them. There must be a fee for this test. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:40:30 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kapatid Jay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/1/08 7:33:09 PM, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > I had the pleasure of training with Bruno early 2000 > in Miami, Florida.  I was there for a week training > flight attendants in cabin self-defense as part of > Bob Wall's "America in Defense" training, a response > to Sept 11.  >   > I believe Bruno was there on a personal trip, but we > somehow managed to hook up and do some extensive > training at my hotel.   >   > I distinctly remember the lead and hand changes. > But what are "drift shots"? >   > I regret losing contact with Bruno shortly after that. >   > Kapatid Jay, I am not the type of person the I would lied, but Bruno Cruichi has daughter here in Miami, and he visit here off and on, he is a very good on convincing people on the first meeting, but dont trus the man, (Ang taong duling daw walang magawang magaling), is my personal experienced with him, just warning to all. Beware.. But in regards of his skill, you'll be the judge on that. I kick him off to my organization, and he was upset about it, but he is not worth teaching at all, that what I felt after all I did for him. Just my opinion, pardon me, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Where to buy; Joe Tan Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: iPat > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Dog Bros DVDs > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > just a heads up on a good quality dvd i picked up recently. I had Ben > Lonely Dog Rittner at my school last month and i bought his Kali > Fitness (dog bros) dvd. Excellent material and any of you guys in > europe who havent trained with him, this guys a true fighter with a > fighters approach. Experience him! Available at: http://dogbrothers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=38&products_id=133 > Jay wrote: >I had the pleasure of training with Bruno early 2000 in Miami, Florida. I was there for a week training flight attendants in cabin self-defense as part of Bob Wall's "America in Defense" training, a response to Sept 11. >I believe Bruno was there on a personal trip, but we somehow managed to hook up and do some extensive training at my hotel. > I distinctly remember the lead and hand changes. > But what are "drift shots"? I thought this to be a common FMA term but it seems not. An example would be to throw a #1 that draws a roof and change the line so it drifts under the roof and strikes some other target e.g. the knee. > > I regret losing contact with Bruno shortly after that. I will forward this ED to him. Know that he's on the road right now. > Belated happy birthday to my kabayan Joe Tan, one of > the old time real arnisadors He retains a most formidable grip and looks 10 years younger than he is. > and a man of many talents. > Did you know that Joe Tan was the artist who did the > illustrations in Prof. Remy Presas's first book about > Modern Arnis, the so-called pink book? I did not know that. > Jay de Leon > www.filipinofightingartsintl.com TAC, CD --__--__-- Message: 6 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:24:34 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Garote Larence/Ven ezuelan Stick Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Woof All: > > This past Friday-Sunday I was delighted to host Venezuelan Garotte > stickfighting advocate Bruno Cruicchi.  Bruno, who avoids all titles > whatsoever, is a very interesting man.  Christian, born in Egypt, fled with > his family at the age of 15 after Nasser came to power, somehow he wound up > in Venezuela, where his life long passion for martial arts (including > training in FMA and Silat) led him to train in two different lineages of > Garrote Venezolano. > > I was surprised to learn just how extensive GV is.  Bruno had several discs > of footage shot in Venezuela of the old masters.  Very intriguing. > > The basic areas are stick vs. stick; stick vs. machete, machete vs. machete, > knife vs stick or machete, and knive vs. knive and EH vs stick, machete, or > knife. > > I usually dont do this, but Bruno Cruichi si not the high Practitioner of Garote Larence, Yuri Jimenez in Caracas, Venezuela is. Bruno Trainede under me for years, off and on, and gave me the opportunity invited me to Venezuela and share my family arts with them (Kali Silat Group in Venezuela). I am very dissapointed with the man (Bruno himself knows why) and I just want to let you know that he is not the right person to go for the arts of Garote Larence, if anyone interested, Yuri Jiminez FMA and Garote Larence Master based in Caracas Venezuela is Garimot Arnis student too, you can get his contact info to my website: ww.garimot.com Sorry, if I have to do this way. I just have to voice my opinion of the man, and if he has any problem me doing this then he should contact me, Pardon to all. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 10:42:09 -0600 Organization: No Nonsense Self-Defense Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Pula-Pula (Lapu-lapu vs. Ferdi, Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > i know you have an axe to grind, but i was > simply contradicting your assertion that the > pike-and-shot tactics of the spanish colunela > that was used on european battlefields is what > allowed cortes to defeat the aztecs. those > tactics weren't used. that's so what. > tim Ummmm ... although the LAST battle was the siege at Tenochtitlan ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tenochtitlan ) numerous other battles WERE fought. Even if you haven't read it, take a look a the cover of the Osprey Men-at-Arms book, 'The Conquisadors.' You will clearly see the pike and musket in the conquisador's equipment ( http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=Q3577~per=15 ) While I do agree that the exact pike and shot ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_and_shot ) tactics used on European battlefields were not solely responsible for taking out the Aztecs, I think you're missing the point. The smaller numbers of the Conquisadors would make those EXACT European battlefield tactics impossible. However, the equipment remains basically the same. What I am saying is that modified version of pike-and-shot tactics AND the presence of native troops -- who were not equipped like the conquisadors -- was commonly used. With the superior firepower and and armour of the Europeans being used to tip the scale of the battles. But just because it was modified, reduced and supported by native forces doesn't mean -- at it's core -- it wasn't pike and shot tactics. The superior equipment did allow for a small number of men to successfully attack a large number of people. People who did not have either the equipment or tactics to successfully defeat these powerful factors. An ax to grind? I'm actually giving people a way to understand that there is NO insult or contempt involved in my post regarding the FMA. The original example was to point out that there is absolutely NO implication that the Filipino fighters -- no matter what the numbers you believe they were -- who faced Magellen, were NOT incompetent because they couldn't overwhelm Magellen's smaller numbers. M --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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