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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Angry (Mark Harrell) 2. knife attacks in Britain (jay de leon) 3. Re: Angry (iPat) 4. Re: knife attacks in Britain (iPat) 5. Re: knife attacks in Britain (adam babb) 6. Oh no It's True & Misunderstanding (jorge penafiel) 7. Re: Oh no It's True & Misunderstanding (adam babb) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Mark Harrell To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:11:38 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Angry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree with your statement Mr. Terry regarding the sad state of conduct within many systems and not just Serrada... Perhaps the saddest thing is that this sort of behavior seems to be a hobby or labor of hate for too many. Peace be with you, Mark >Subject: [Eskrima] Angry>And sadly it isn't just seen in Serrada, but also Doce Pares and >Pekiti-Tirsia and Villabrille Kali and Serak and Modern Arnis and...>In the RP in years gone by, Al Gore had not yet invented the Internet, >so styles & clubs would place posters up around towns and villages >with threats and challenges. I guess this is just the newer high tech >way of doing it.>But it is all good. I've received a "lot of love" from all types over >the last 15 years for doing whatever it is we do here and I expect >that will continue. :)>Ray _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] knife attacks in Britain Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net     I believe there have similar postings before, but this is a recent article, posted today, july 19, 2008.   Any comments from list members in Britain?   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com     Britain grapples with surge of knife attacks by Cyril Belaud 1 hour, 37 minutes ago LONDON (AFP) - Britain is struggling to get to grips with a surge of fatal knife attacks, which analysts say reflects a growing sense of insecurity on the country's streets. While some say young people are increasingly carrying knives as a fashion item, others say it is simply because they are scared of being attacked and so make sure they are armed. On Friday police confirmed the death of an 18-year-old in south London, the 21st teenager to die of violence in the British capital this year, amid wider concerns about anti-social behaviour among young people on the streets. That came after nine people were killed across the country the previous week, including six in only 24 hours. "We have seen the emergence of a worrying trend in relation to knife crime," said Scotland Yard's Deputy Assistant Commissioner Alf Hitchcock. "We see both an intensification in the severity of offending, and a worrying change in the age profile of offenders and victims, which has decreased from mid- to late-teens to early 20s down to early to mid-teens," he added. Analysts say young people appear to be increasingly worried about their own safety, although Home Office statistics released Thursday showed a nine percent fall in overall crime in England and Wales in the year to March 2008. "They fear they're going to be attacked themselves," said Professor Gloria Laycock, from the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, named after a well-known BBC television presenter who was shot dead on her doorstep in 1999. "I don't think it's got anything to do with some fundamental social cause like the economy, or poor parenting or anything like that, because it's happened too quickly," she added. According to a 2006 study compiled for the Home Office, 85 percent of young people who had carried a knife said they did so to protect themselves, while 42 percent of young victims of assault went on to commit an attack themselves. The most recent crime statistics showed there were 22,151 recorded offences involving knives last year. The highest number -- 7,409 -- was in London. "They feel they need to have a weapon for their own protection. I think that's really the problem," said Professor Douglas Sharp, head of the Centre for Criminal Justice Policy and Research at Birmingham City University. "Young people think that life in their particular locality is so dangerous, that there's so much threat around, that when they get into confrontations they expect to be subject to some violence," he added. But Sharp, a former senior police officer himself, said: "Most of this violence going on is not related to other criminality, is not related to fights over drug territory or anything like that. "It's to do with fairly mundane disagreements that just get out of hand very quickly." Another new trend is that recent killings have taken place in public places in busy city centres, outside bars and clubs, as opposed to previously where attacks were more usually the result of domestic disputes. "This is relatively new. Certainly in the scale we are seeing this at the moment," said Laycock. "I think it's because it's become a kind of fashion thing. Young people have got this into their head that it's more trendy to have a knife and so they're doing that," she added. "It has to do with their image, rather than anything more fundamental than that." This theory would seem to be backed up by media reports, which have included photos taken from social networking sites showing young people proudly wielding knives and even machetes. But not everyone is convinced that carrying knives is simply to be trendy. "I don't agree that it's a fashion," said Roger Grimshaw, of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College, London. Research showed that young people are "more likely to have been victimised and to fear being attacked. So it's... not a trend. If they feel threatened, they try to reduce the fear by becoming threatening themselves." --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:00:05 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Angry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net somewhat coincidently, my daily quote was on the cessation of anger: === JKrishnamurti.org - Daily Quote === Cessation of anger We have all, I am sure, tried to subdue anger but somehow that does not seem to dissolve it. Is there a different approach to dissipate anger?…Anger may spring from physical or psychological causes. One is angry, perhaps, because one is thwarted, one's defensive reactions are being broken down, or one's security which has been carefully built up is being threatened, and so on. We are all familiar with anger. How is one to understand and dissolve anger? If you consider that your beliefs, concepts, opinions, are of the greatest importance, then you are bound to react violently when questioned. Instead of clinging to beliefs, opinions, if you begin to question whether they are essential to one's comprehension of life, then through the understanding of its causes there is the cessation of anger. Thus one begins to dissolve one's own resistances which cause conflict and pain. This again requires earnestness. We are used to controlling ourselves for sociological or religious reason s or for convenience, but to uproot anger requires deep awareness.… You say you are angry when you hear of injustice. Is it because you love humanity, because you are compassionate? Do compassion and anger dwell together? Can there be justice when there is anger, hatred? You are perhaps angry at the thought of general injustice, cruelty, but your anger does not alter injustice or cruelty; it can only do harm. To bring about order, you yourself have to be thoughtful, compassionate. Action born of hatred can only create further hatred. There can be no righteousness where there is anger. Righteousness and anger cannot dwell together. Book of Life - July 19th On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Ray wrote: > And sadly it isn't just seen in Serrada, but also Doce Pares and > Pekiti-Tirsia and Villabrille Kali and Serak and Modern Arnis and... --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:19:29 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife attacks in Britain Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are mixed messages. Statistically, its quite good: http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.gov.uk/sta_index.htm however there is no doubt a 'fashion' in certain age groups for knife assaults and its sensationalised by the media which only adds fuel to the fire. Being young and male is still a hazardous time. More significantly is that thefts are down as security measures in cars etc move the problem elsewhere. Walking around with an ipod or phone has seen a rise in hold ups. The knife would be shown then as a persuader. In my area this is the rise, drug fuelled by poor quality drugs, personal robbery has increased but still mainly amongst the young. My son has personal experience at the age of 19 here, but doesnt seem to be too worried as a whole. On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:44 AM, jay de leon wrote: > I believe there have similar postings before, > but this is a recent article, posted today, > july 19, 2008. > > Any comments from list members in Britain? -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk "If you don't go out in the woods, nothing will ever happen & your life will never begin…" --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife attacks in Britain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net if there going to carry they need to learn how to use it and the consequences of using it adam --- On Sun, 7/20/08, iPat wrote: > From: iPat > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife attacks in Britain > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 8:19 AM > There are mixed messages. Statistically, its quite good: > http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.gov.uk/sta_index.htm > > however there is no doubt a 'fashion' in certain > age groups for knife > assaults and its sensationalised by the media which only > adds fuel to > the fire. Being young and male is still a hazardous time. > > More significantly is that thefts are down as security > measures in > cars etc move the problem elsewhere. Walking around with an > ipod or > phone has seen a rise in hold ups. The knife would be shown > then as a > persuader. > > In my area this is the rise, drug fuelled by poor quality > drugs, > personal robbery has increased but still mainly amongst the > young. My > son has personal experience at the age of 19 here, but > doesnt seem to > be too worried as a whole. > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:44 AM, jay de leon > wrote: > > > I believe there have similar postings before, > > but this is a recent article, posted today, > > july 19, 2008. > > > > Any comments from list members in Britain? > > > -- > Pat Davies > www.amag.org.uk > "If you don't go out in the woods, nothing will > ever happen & your > life will never begin…" > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:14:01 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Oh no It's True & Misunderstanding Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Prof Bot was right - at our age the only flipping am good at is flipping those yummy burgers/dogs (hot -ok??)/brats/chicken/steaks/dried fish (as do all pinoys occassionally outside only). Even then ,got to be gentle and extra careful so as not to pick them on the floor/ground, as sometimes, the Bruce Lee/Jim "the Fro" Kelly spirit gets upon us and we do it with gusto. Aahh,,,, a little dirt is good boost for our immune system. Though the flipping act was somewhat funny, bet still hurts a little and a yank at one's ego...Could been deleted unless it was for fun and humor to be poke upon. Like the guy though for being a sport... ++ Oh well, its the heat of summer and so a little vent in "hot air" or whatever is welcome. But really, ED is an "Open Forum" and expect the unexpected. So, if singly picked take it as a kick in the ass and move on. Shucks,,,comedians/politicians/etc. by now their asses would be hardened from all the "ass kicks" they received from their words and actions uttered and shown publicly. Then again as MA' tist, we are a different breed and we got brains and other macho stuffs everywhere specially in our fists/feet/whatever....My thoughts!! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:36:49 -0700 (PDT) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Oh no It's True & Misunderstanding To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net remember the 3 second rule --- On Sun, 7/20/08, jorge penafiel wrote: > From: jorge penafiel > Subject: [Eskrima] Oh no It's True & Misunderstanding > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 9:14 AM > Prof Bot was right - at our age the only flipping am good at > is flipping those > yummy burgers/dogs (hot -ok??)/brats/chicken/steaks/dried > fish (as do all > pinoys occassionally outside only). Even then ,got to be > gentle and extra > careful so as not to pick them on the floor/ground, as > sometimes, the Bruce > Lee/Jim "the Fro" Kelly spirit gets upon us and > we do it with gusto. Aahh,,,, > a little dirt is good boost for our immune system. > Though the flipping act was somewhat funny, bet still hurts > a little and a > yank at one's ego...Could been deleted unless it was > for fun and humor to be > poke upon. Like the guy though for being a sport... > ++ > Oh well, its the heat of summer and so a little vent in > "hot air" or whatever > is welcome. But really, ED is an "Open Forum" > and expect the unexpected. So, > if singly picked take it as a kick in the ass and move on. > Shucks,,,comedians/politicians/etc. by now their asses > would be hardened from > all the "ass kicks" they received from their > words and actions uttered and > shown publicly. Then again as MA' tist, we are a > different breed and we got > brains and other macho stuffs everywhere specially in our > fists/feet/whatever....My thoughts!! > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest