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While it is not something comfortable to admit Master Chief Terry should include Derobio in this list. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:22:16 -0700 (PDT) From: craftydog@dogbrothers.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] UK Knife matters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Some articles perhaps of interest: FIRST This article can be read on many levels-- including as a reflection upon the wisdom of the UK's unilateral disarmament of its citizens of their guns , , , ================== LONDON — Every day, it seems, there are more victims. Shakilus Townsend, 16, stabbed to death by a masked gang. Ben Kinsella, also 16, fatally stabbed during an argument outside a pub. Victims in Bristol, Manchester and Glasgow. Four people fatally stabbed in London in one 24-hour period alone last week. Skip to next paragraph Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Imagse Jimmy Mizen, 16, was stabbed in London. His brothers carried his coffin in June. In a country where few people have guns or access to them, a spate of knife attacks, many involving teenagers, has forced the issue to the top of the domestic agenda. The Metropolitan Police are so concerned, they said recently, they have made knife crime their top priority, along with terrorism. Government and law enforcement officials are scrambling to produce plans to allay public fears. On Monday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced a series of measures that he said would make it “completely unacceptable to carry a knife.” The plan includes automatic prosecution for anyone over the age of 16 caught with a knife and doubling the maximum sentence for knife possession, to four years. It also sets up a $6 million advertising campaign to discourage young people from committing crimes with knives and a program to force perpetrators to confront their actions by, for instance, attending courses that describe what happens to stabbing victims. The prime minister also said the government would intervene directly with as many as 20,000 families whose children were considered at risk of turning to violence because “the mother or father have lost control of their children and their whole life is actually in difficulty.” Parents who refused to accept the government intervention, he said, would be threatened with eviction from their homes. “Too many people, young and old, do not feel safe in the streets, and sometimes even in their homes,” he said, speaking at his monthly news conference. But opponents of the government complained that the plans were merely warmed-over versions of past initiatives. “Jacqui Smith is coming up with the same half-baked ideas because the government has been in denial about the scale of the knife crime problem,” Chris Huhne, the home affairs spokesman for the Liberal Democratic party, said, referring to the home secretary, who has offered a number of proposals recently. Knife crime, most often involving weapons like simple kitchen knives, has dominated the headlines in recent weeks, with reports of fresh cases every day. But statistically, the picture is more murky. Violent crime over all has actually decreased by 41 percent from a peak in 1995, according to the British Crime Survey, in which citizens report their exposure to crime. Yet the survey accounts only for people 16 and older, and evidence suggests that young people in poorer areas are increasingly likely to carry knives, and increasingly likely to use them. The Daily Telegraph, which examined data from three-fourths of the police forces in England and Wales, reported recently that nearly 21,000 people had been stabbed or mugged at knifepoint so far this year. Doctors in busy emergency rooms say they are seeing a steep increase in patients admitted with injuries caused by violence, often involving sharp objects like glass bottles or kitchen knives. A recent study by the Center for Public Health at Liverpool John Moores University found that the number of people admitted to hospitals after arriving in the emergency rooms with injuries caused by violence had increased by 30 percent across England in the last four years. According to the study, rates of admission as a result of violence were six times higher in the poorest fifth of the country than in its most affluent areas. “The difference between the experience of violence between the wealthier and poorer communities is quite dramatic, even for children as young as 14,” said Mark Bellis, director of the center and an author of the study. The government’s plans, part of a $200 million program to combat youth crime, are the latest in a series of measures meant to address the country’s problem with knife crimes. In May, Ms. Smith, the home secretary, announced a $10 million knife-crime-reduction program in problem cities. In London, where 20 teenagers have been killed with knives so far this year, the police embarked on a six-week blitz in May. About 27,000 people were searched, 1,200 were arrested and 500 knives were seized, the authorities said. The Conservative Party said the government’s plans did not go far enough and called for steeper penalties. The party’s leader, David Cameron, told reporters: “If you are carrying a knife and you are caught, you should expect to go to prison. Plain, simple, clear.” But Mr. Huhne of the Liberal Democrats said that approach was the wrong one. Young people in Britain — who regularly score at the bottom of charts that measure relative deprivation, poverty, educational attainment, health and general well-being in Europe — have been subject to “mass criminalization,” he said. “By dragging more and more young people through the criminal justice system, they have reduced the fear of a criminal record and contributed to the problem,” he said. Roger Grimshaw, research director of the Center for Crime and Justice Studies at King’s College London, said little was known about how many people carry knives and under what circumstances. “We need to look at the violence itself instead of focusing on the instrument, because clearly knives are very available,” he said. “Many of these people come from disadvantaged districts in which there is a buildup of fear,” he said. “We have to think about the circumstances in which young people are tempted to use violence, where they have few resources and a law-abiding lifestyle is not a rewarding one.” Professor Bellis of the Center for Public Health said that the authorities should be “intervening far earlier, before violence erupts” in problem areas. “For certain communities, violence dominates,” he said. “We have to provide education and support for those families that need additional support, and we have to tackle inequalities. Many people are growing up in environments where they feel they have very little to lose.” SECOND Thugs committing 350 knife assaults EVERY DAY, as blade menace spreads to rural areas By Stephen Wright and Nicola Boden Last updated at 4:56 PM on 17th July 2008 Thugs are committing more than 350 knife assaults every day across England and Wales, latest crime figures reveal. Results from the British Crime Survey showed nearly 130,000 attacks took place last year - a figure which does not include those against under-16s. Separate figures recorded by police forces reveal 22,000 serious knife assaults including 231 attempted murders, almost 14,000 robberies and more than 8,000 woundings. Ministers welcomed the annual figures which showed a nine per cent drop in overall crime last year, and claimed the steady downward trend in recent years was the most impressive in modern times - including a 12 per cent fall in all violent crime last year. But they acknowledged serious public concerns over knife crime, following a spate of horrific murders in recent months, many involving young victims in inner city areas. Firearms offences recorded by police rose 2 per cent last year to reach a total of 9,803, while homicides were up three per cent to 784. The latest figures show how the shadow of 'Blade Britain' has spread from urban areas to the shires. Hundreds of knife offences are being committed in county force areas including Devon and Cornwall, Hampshire, Kent, Staffordshire, Cheshire and Northumbria. Crime statistics released by the Government today show the overall crime rate has fallen nine per cent, but for the first time the number of serious violent offences involving blades is broken down. What emerges is a national map of knife crime across England and Wales which demonstrates how provincial areas are being hit by the problem. As first revealed by the Daily Mail this morning, 22,151 serious crimes involved knives and sharp instruments in the financial year to March 2008. This figure, equivalent to 60 offences a day, does not include an estimated 250 fatal stabbings, which are counted separately by the Home Office. There were 231 attempted murders, 13,887 robberies and 8,000 woundings where the offenders used blades to some degree. Ian Johnston, president of the Police Superintendents' Association, said: 'The public needs to understand this is not just a London or inner-city problem. It is a serious problem all over the country. 'While we welcome many of the initiatives which have been announced, they are mainly for the medium or long term. 'There is now a need for radical, short-term solutions. Serious consideration should be given to the idea of introducing a minimum prison sentence for carrying a knife. I believe this would have a dramatic impact. We must get back to the time when members of the public accept that even if they have done nothing wrong, and are not carrying a knife, they must not object to a police officer questioning them and in some cases searching them,' he said. 'The police need the public support from all communities to do that.' Recorded crime figures show firearms offences increased two per cent to 9,803, drugs offences rose 18 per cent and murders rose three per cent to 784. But overall, the survey shows crime has fallen leaving people two per cent less likely to be a victim of crime - now at 22 per cent. This is the lowest level recorded since the British Crime Survey began in 1981, according to the Home Office. Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said she was 'extremely pleased' with the figures and that the Government's priority was to build on it for the future. But the reduction belies people's fears of knife crime after a spate of stabbings across Britain since the start of the year. Roughly a third of non-fatal knife offences, 7,409, were committed in London, which has recently been hit by a series of horrific stab murders involving teenagers. Greater Manchester (2,294) and West Midlands (2,303) have the next biggest knife crime figures. But of particular concern to detectives, politicians and parents is the extent of Britain's knife problem in provincial forces. For the first time, the Home Office has collated data on categories of violent crime where a knife has been used, including attempted murder, wounding with intent, grievous bodily harm and robbery. Of the 22,151 knife crimes in England and Wales last year, 231 related to attempted murders; 5,248 were cases of wounding with intent; 2,785 were cases of grievous bodily harm; 2,359 related to robbery of business property and a further 11,528 were connected to the robbery of personal property. Devon and Cornwall Constabulary recorded 288 offences where a blade or sharp instrument was used to stab, to cut or in threat. Avon and Somerset had 360 such offences last year, Kent 327, Hampshire 388, Staffordshire 219, Cheshire 224 and Northumbria 351. Dorset, with just 43 knife crime offences, had the lowest figures for a provincial force. Although the statistics cover only England and Wales, they are mirrored by a similar pattern in Scotland, where knife crime has spread beyond major cities such as Glasgow. Officers have become increasingly concerned about the way blades have become a weapon of choice for a new generation of teenage thugs. Casualty doctors believe knife crime is far more widespread in the country than official figures suggest because scores of victims who seek treatment in hospitals leave without making a formal complaint to police. Knife attacks ended six lives in 24 hours in London last week, leading to an unprecedented statement from Scotland Yard aimed at reassuring the public. As part of a crackdown on knife crime, Met Deputy Assistant Commissioner Alf Hitchcock has been appointed national knife crime czar to oversee police efforts in eight 'hotspots'. In an exclusive interview with the Mail on Monday, Mr Hitchcock called for cross-party efforts to find a long-term solution. 'We've seen the problem of violence among young people getting worse,' he said. 'But it's not just knife crime. Knife crime is just symptomatic of larger issues. Of course we in the police are doing what we can to crack down - but policing cannot be the whole answer. After all, if we were able to stop and search every youngster estimated to be carrying a knife today, and they were all to be sent to prison, we'd be talking of tens of thousands.' Gordon Brown called Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to Chequers on Saturday for urgent talks about the knife epidemic. The Prime Minister urged him to make full use of new police powers to make pubs and clubs search customers for knives and guns. Dominic Grieve, Tory Shadow Home Secretary, said the figures proved that knife crime affects the whole country and that targeting hotspots was inadequate. Detectives expect the murder figures to be similar to 2006/2007, when a sharp instrument was used in 258 of the 734 unlawful killings recorded by police. Find this story at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ral-areas.html THIRD Well, pigs fly!!! 'Have-a-go heroes' get legal right to defend themselves By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent and Chris Hope, Home Affairs Correspondent Last updated: 6:54 AM BST 16/07/2008 Home owners and “have-a go-heroes” have for the first time been given the legal right to defend themselves against burglars and muggers free from fear of prosecution. They will be able to use force against criminals who break into their homes or attack them in the street without worrying that "heat of the moment” misjudgements could see them brought before the courts. Under new laws police and prosecutors will have to assess a person’s actions based on the person’s situation "as they saw it at the time” even if in hindsight it could be seen as unreasonable. For example, homeowners would be able stab or shoot a burglar if confronted or tackle them and use force to detain them until police arrive. Muggers could be legally punched and beaten in the street or have their own weapons used against them. However, attacking a fleeing criminal with a weapon is not permitted nor is lying in wait to ambush them. The new laws follow a growing public campaign for people to be given the right to defend themselves and their own homes in the wake of a number of high profile cases. In 2000, Tony Martin, the Norfolk farmer, was sent to prison for manslaughter for shooting an intruder in his home. Earlier this year, Tony Singh, a shopkeeper, found himself facing a murder charge after he defended himself against an armed robber who tried to steal his takings. During the struggle the robber received a single fatal stab wound to the heart with his own knife. The Crown Prosecution Service eventually decided Mr Singh should not be charged. Until now people have had to prove in court that they acted in self defence but the changes mean police and the Crown Prosecution Service will decide on cases before this stage. Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, said that people would be protected legally if they defend themselves "instinctively”; they fear for their own safety or that of others; and the level of force used is not excessive or disproportionate. He added the changes in law were designed to ensure the criminal justice system was weighted in favour of the victim. Mr Straw – and other Labour ministers – have previously repeatedly blocked attempts by opposition MPs to give greater protection to householders. In 2004 Tony Blair promised to review the existing legislation after he admitted there was "genuine public concern” about the issue. But his pledge was dropped weeks later after the then Home Secretary Charles Clarke concluded that the current law was "sound”. Two Private Member’s Bills on the issue were tabled by the Tories around the time of the 2005 general election, but both were sunk by the Government. In 2004, a Tory Bill designed to give the public the right to forcibly tackle burglars was also rejected. The new self defence law, which came into force yesterday, is contained in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 and was announced by Mr Straw last September. He is understood to have decided new laws were necessary after he was involved in four "have-a go’’ incidents, which included chasing and restraining muggers near his south London home. Opposition leaders said it offered nothing new and was merely the latest policy designed to appeal to core Tory voters. In practice, householders are seldom prosecuted if they harm or even kill an intruder but the Act will give them greater legal protection. Nick Herbert, the Shadow Justice Secretary, said: "This is a typical Labour con – it will give no greater protection to householders confronted by burglars because it’s nothing more than a re-statement of the existing case law.” Mr Straw said: "The justice system must not only work on the side of people who do the right thing as good citizens, but also be seen to work on their side. "The Government strongly supports the right of law abiding people to defend themselves, their families and their property with reasonable force. This law will help to make sure that that right is upheld and that the criminal justice system is firmly weighted in favour of the victim. "Dealing with crime is not just the responsibility of the police, courts and prisons; it’s the responsibility of all of us. Communities with the lowest crime and the greatest safety are the ones with the most active citizens with a greater sense of shared values, inspired by a sense of belonging and duty to others, who are empowered by the state and are also supported by it – in other words, making a reality of justice. "These changes in the law will make clear – victims of crime, and those who intervene to prevent crime, should be treated with respect by the justice system. We do not want to encourage vigilantism, but there can be no justice in a system which makes the victim the criminal." It came as it emerged that homeowners could have to wait up to three days after reporting a crime to see a police officer, according to a leaked draft of the Policing Green Paper. It sets out new national standards for local policing for all 43 forces cross England and Wales. Callers to the police will be given set times within which officers will attend an incident. The paper says that this will be "within three hours it if requires policing intervention or three days if there is less immediate need for a police presence." However, the Home Office would not comment on the plans. Have Your Say: Should have-a-go heroes get protection? Story from Telegraph News: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...hemselves.html The Adventure continues! Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:34:59 +0300 From: "Eric Taimanglo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 1st FMA Class In Iraq Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am pleased to announce that the first (to my knowledge, anyway) formal FMA class in Iraq has been organized and will begin on the 5th of August at Camp Taji, Iraq. I'm sure that many FMAers that are deployed have had "backyard" type sessions (which is what I did when I was a deployed soldier) but this class has approval from the Camp Mayor's Cell as well as MWR management. Classes will be every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, from 2000 - 2100 hours at Building 621T. Padded weapons will be provided; if you have any safe training weapons, feel free to bring them! So, you FMA stylists in Taji (I know you're out there, come out, come out where ever you are), please join us and spread the word. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:00:42 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] knife attacks in Britain Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i think they are quite good at using them - thats the problem, but again you have to put into context the age group that this is happening too. Consequences is an adult term and most teenagers will not see it in those terms, as most parents will testify too. One child pyschologist said to me that uptill around 13 childrens see things black and white. Then the line blur into grey and it depends on the individual when they can judge the cross over and i think ive seen 40 year olds still without that ability! What they do need is to change the role models perpetuated by sensationalist media. When did we last see a story, a book or a film, glorifying someone who simply goes to work and raises his familly in balance to guntottingfastcardrivingjewelrywearingbadattitudecussing 'heroes'? [recently watched a great independent film called kidulthood btw] On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:53 PM, adam babb wrote: > if there going to carry they need to learn how to use it and the consequences > of using it > > adam --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Fwd: Misinformation!!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manong Jay: I am absotively positiviliciously sure that I do not teach english in college :-) as a matter of curiousity, what is meant by "royal ass-whooping" ? Is it any different from a peasant ass-whooping? doesn't "whoop" mean to yell? or a loud cry of some sort? so a "royal ass-whooping" means that Ray is going to get his behind yelled at in a royal way? :-) :-) :-) now I am absotively positiviliciously very happy that I don't have to teach english, she is such a hard language to espeak ;-) bot --- On Sat, 7/19/08, jay de leon wrote: > From: jay de leon > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Fwd: Misinformation!!! > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 PM > good grief, prof. jocano.  i hope it is not > english you teach in college. >   > jay de leon > www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Felipe Jocano > wrote: > > From: Felipe Jocano > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Fwd: Misinformation!!! > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 12:01 AM > > I'd absotively, agitatively rather not get kicked and > be disaarranged thank > you :-) > > Bot --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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