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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Current NYC Knife Laws? (Kel620@aol.com) 2. Ruminations on knives in the UK (Julian Gilmour) 3. Pinoys stay on target (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:41:54 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Current NYC Knife Laws? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just read in Tactical Knives magazine that some sort of law was passed against knives with pocket clips. Is this true? K. Williams **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Julian Gilmour To: Escrima Digest Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:36:09 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Ruminations on knives in the UK Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net IMHO the reasons for the reported rise/rise in reports of knife crime in the UK are many and varied, but to me they are largely cultural. An old guy in his 60s was writing in one of major MA magazines a while back, and was talking about his younger days. He said a knife wielder in the UK, if identified as such, would be set upon by anyone near him, back in the day. Being so ‘cowardly’ as to carry a weapon would be an instant invitation/justification for a group kicking by anyone nearby. He considered this a fair deterrent. Whilst this may or may not be a true story or reflection of the times, it is still represents an indication of how knife-carriers were thought of in 50s England, compared to today. One thing for certain it’s high on the media spotlight, and I think this alone will have an effect on the mindset of those impressionable types that may be gravitating towards gang mentality or a life of violent crime. If they think a knife offers protection and ‘everyone else has got them’ as it states in the papers, then the illicit carrying of knives will increase. I suspect knife ‘use’ will therefore increase as well. There is absolutely no way that I can see that this will push the UK government toward allowing people to carry knives in any way. Rightly or wrongly, they are generally considered offensive weapons in the UK, not defensive ones. As an aside, one small thing that has directly influenced me and my training is that the perceived increase in knife crime has led to my gym shifting some stick classes to knife classes. I am far more likely to get attacked by someone with a knife than by someone with a 28-inch piece of rattan, so this suits me. I was at a picnic at the weekend and overheard the statement “A well-armed society is a polite one.” I didn’t get to speak to the person to clarify what he was talking about, but I think it’s a difficult subject. I think it often works well in the US. Someone on the digest not long ago posted a link to a BBC News article about the US and how the threat of violence/vandalisation of property and general behaviour of the public was far better in the US than here, even though many were armed. It simply felt safer. I don’t think I would feel immediately safer in the UK if we were all allowed to carry knives. I think, initially at least, there would be more injuries and deaths. Lots of young people in the UK seem to behave a lot worse than elsewhere in Europe and the rest of the world, once they have had a skin full of alcohol. As the ‘binge-drinking’ seems to be linked with violence more here than elsewhere (a generalisation, I know) I think that if bladed weapons were allowed this would bring about a short–term increase in knife violence, but after a while I imagine that people, once exposed to more of the consequences i.e. more stabbings, the people involved would hopefully eventually tone down the knife violence, possibly leading to a less violent society long term. Maybe. As for muggings at knife point, I am unaware of a recent major increase in this field, although this could be just me. As Pat has implied, the perpetrators may simply have moved to other areas in the search for profit. It’s a difficult and complicated subject, and as someone who works in dispute resolution, I try to work on a ‘case by case’ basis and shy away from generalisations when I can. I just can’t see a change in our weapons laws being anywhere near the horizon. It would be nice if kids just stopped stabbing each other, but that doesn’t seem on the horizon either. As our gang culture/violent crime seems on the increase, my thoughts are that we should be speaking to people/bodies/social projects etc that have dealt with the problem in the past and been successful in the US, and ask them what they recommend to stop the trend of violence, and adopt a similar approach to try and ‘nip it in the bud’ here. This would work far better than the nonsense suggestion that selling kitchen knives without points on the end would help. This really has been suggested over here. LOL. This brings me to the fact that none of the above stops the crimes of passion that take place between family members in kitchens involving kitchen knives. I think a lot of the time, if they didn’t have a knife they’d use a blunt instrument instead and so limiting kitchen knife sales - or the points at the end of them - wouldn’t help in the slightest. Knives are illegal to carry here, so I don’t carry one, and don’t plan on it. I have the luxury of being able to avoid the hotspots, and the people involved. So far. Mr Couture, you have hit the nail on the head, and I plan on teaching my (as yet) unborn daughter how to protect herself from the age of 2. Other than… it’s a mindset thing, not a weapon thing… I offer no answers here, just a few English thoughts in respectful answer to Jay de Leon’s prompt. “Whether the knife falls on the melon or the melon on the knife, the melon suffers.” - African proverb Julian _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Pinoys stay on target Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thursday, July 24 Pinoys stay on target Marian C. Baring Sun.Star Cebu AFTER an erratic start, the Philippine team, or Team Pinoy, found itself well on track to reclaim lost glory in the 10th World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation Championships at the Ayala Activity Center. Late registrations provided a little chaos at the start of the competition with fighters enlisted in different divisions or their names not being called at all. However, when the dust settled and action resumed, the Filipinos stole the thunder and snatched 20 gold medals and three silvers in the different divisions of the sayaw or forms event in the first day of competitions. Coming in at a distant second spot is defending champion US, which 10 golds and five silvers in the unofficial medal tally at press time. Jhon Limutan and Jenny Quimque led the first day gold rush for the hosts—which lost the overall crown to the US in 2004—who collected two gold medals each. Limutan dominated the non-traditional and tradition double sticks event, while Quimque won in the non-traditional single stick and non- traditional double sticks forms. Meanwhile, Rochelle Quirol of Tacurong City showcased the form that brought her the gold medal in the 25th Southeast Asian Games (Seag) as she unseated defending champion and crowd-favorite Tamara Delorenzi of Australia in the traditional double stick event. Quirol won the gold medal in 2005 when arnis was a demonstration event in the biennial Seag. Delorenzi, who had prepared for this for 12 months, lost because she dropped her stick midway in her routine, an error that cost her dearly. “It is ok, it happens. There’s still more to come,” said the 19-year- old who gamely shook Quirol’s hands after the verdict was called. Delorenzi will get a chance to redeem herself when she starts competing in the sparring event. Thursica Korinthen of Canada took the third place honors in this division. In another court, Delorenzi’s trainor Yvonne Trigila, also representing Australia, went through what her protégé experienced. Trigila also almost dropped her stick but managed to recover it before completing her routine to take the gold in her age division. Meanwhile, a jittery Chelsea Pableo took another gold medal for the Philippine team after winning the girls 10-11 traditional single stick event uncontested. Pableo, the daughter of Master Val, is taking after her father, who is a four-time world champion himself. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest