Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #194 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. balintawak (steve mulligan) 2. TSA & walking sticks (william mcgrath) 3. Not quite (again) (Eric Taimanglo) 4. Tennessee church shootings (Steve Klement) 5. Re: military info. (Tyler Murphy) 6. RE: tsa and sticks (2@msfencing.org) 7. RE: Tennessee church shootings (2@msfencing.org) 8. Re: Military Info (ovida@comcast.net) 9. The Wasp Injection Knife (2@msfencing.org) 10. Re: Tennessee church shootings (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:55:20 -0400 From: "steve mulligan" To: Subject: [Eskrima] balintawak Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I am looking for a Balintawak instructor in southern New Jersey. Can anyone help... thanks,,, Steve --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: william mcgrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] TSA & walking sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know the TSA regulations regarding walking canes/walking sticks? > I've been carrying a walking stick or cane on board U.S. commercial aircraft for the last 15 years and have never had a problem, including a trip just a month after 9-11-01.   Europe was a bit different. I did get the strong impression, both while traveling and in speaking with friends there, that a younger person might have had more difficulty traveling with a walking stick or cane than someone with some gray in his beard. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath www.TheSwordofFire.com www.pekiti.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:31:26 +0300 From: "Eric Taimanglo" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Not quite (again) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just can't win... :) Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kristine Strasburger Subject: [Eskrima] Not quite To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Eric, Not throwing egg at you, and only in the spirit of goodness, I taught Eskrima classes through the MWR while stationed in Honduras - not a theater of war,granted, but the classes were on the MWR calendar. This was in 1988. That is great to hear that you have some classes going where you are. Thanks for being there. Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:18:04 +0300 From: "Eric Taimanglo" Subject: [Eskrima] Not quite Well, gentlemen, now that I have wiped the eggs off of my face, I guess I will have to settle for "the first FMA class in Taji"... though I am pretty sure that FMA has never been put on a MWR calendar... (cringing, waiting for the next salvo of Grade-A goodness) Eric --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Steve Klement To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:01:58 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Tennessee church shootings Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Perhaps some of you have heard about the shooting Sunday in Knoxville, TN that has led to two deaths so far. In case you haven't, I have posted a NY Times article below. What does any of this have to do with Eskrima and why am I posting it here? One of the brave souls (Mr. Jamie Parkey) that jumped on and controlled the shotgun toting nutcase is my Inayan Eskrima student. To say the least, I am proud of his actions and happy he and his family is safe. -- Tagaturo Klement www.inayan.com www.inayan.com/forums Inayan School of Eskrima --------------- Arrest Is Made in Shootings at Tennessee Church By SHAILA DEWAN Published: July 28, 2008 ATLANTA — A man armed with a shotgun entered a church in Knoxville, Tenn., on Sunday and opened fire as congregants were watching a youth performance, killing two people and leaving at least seven others wounded before he was subdued by church members, witnesses and police officials said. Police officials said they had charged Jim D. Adkisson, 58, of Powell, Tenn., with first-degree murder. Amira Parkey, 16, had just uttered her first lines as Miss Hannigan in “Annie, Jr.” when the performance at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was interrupted by a loud pop, witnesses said. “We were just, ‘Oh, my God, that’s not part of the play,’ ” Amira said, adding that she saw a man standing near the door of the sanctuary and firing into the room. It took a beat longer for fear to strike the audience. “The music director realized what was going on and she yelled, ‘Get the hell out of here, everybody,’ ” said Sheila Bowen, 70, a church member. Parents dove under the pews with their children, and the cast of young actors, some of them as young as 6, was quickly herded out of the sanctuary. None of the victims were children. Members of the church tackled the gunman and wrested his weapon, a 12- gauge shotgun, from him. The police received a call to the church at 10:18 a.m. and took the gunman into custody four minutes later. At a news conference, Chief Sterling P. Owen IV of the Knoxville Police Department said that investigators had not determined the motive but that they believed the gunman had acted alone. Two of the wounded were treated at the hospital and released, Chief Owen said, and the other five were in conditions from serious to critical. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is assisting in the investigation, and Chief Owen said all videotapes of the service had been collected and were under review. There were about 200 people in the church when the gunman opened fire, church members said. Witnesses said that the gunman, carrying a guitar case, had first tried to enter the area where the children were preparing for the play, saying he was there to play music. But he was told to use the public entrance to the sanctuary instead. Ms. Bowen said that the gunman was a stranger to the church and that she had seen him in the entry hall fiddling with the guitar case. She said she did not see him again until the shooting started. It was when the man paused to reload that several congregants ran to stop him. Ms. Bowen said John Bohstedt, a history professor at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, was among them. “He moved very quickly and he assessed the situation very quickly,” Ms. Bowen said. “He’s sitting on this guy. He had a package with him, wrapped in brown paper and tied with string, and John was afraid that that might be a bomb, so John was screaming at everyone to get out.” Jamie Parkey, who had been watching his eldest daughter from the front pew, said he turned to see a woman bleeding in the pew behind him. “I thought, ‘Did she have a nose bleed from the loud boom? Did she have a pacemaker blow?’ ” Mr. Parkey said. “It didn’t make any sense.” He dragged his mother and middle daughter to the ground and then looked up to see several church members rushing the gunman, who was described as middle aged, tall and thin. Mr. Parkey’s wife, Amy Broyles, was in a soundproof glass nursery with the couple’s 2-year- old; she dropped to the floor and used her body to bar the door, which was near the gunman. Mr. Parkey, who installs hardwood floors and is trained in martial arts, joined the others in trying to subdue the gunman, pinning the man’s arms behind his back until the police arrived to take the gunman into custody. “I didn’t want him feeling around for a handgun,” Mr. Parkey said, adding that the package turned out to have been a prop for the play. Chief Owen contradicted early reports that 13 shots had been fired, saying his investigators believed that the count was lower. He did not confirm the detail about the guitar case, but said the man had indeed concealed the shotgun as he entered the church. Mr. Adkisson was being held on $1 million bail, a Knoxville city spokesman, Randy Kenner, told The Associated Press. One victim who died was identified as Gregory McKendry Jr., 60, a church board member and usher. Chief Owen said it appeared that Mr. McKendry was one of the first people the gunman encountered when he entered the sanctuary. The other person killed was identified by The A.P. as Linda Kraeger, 61, who died at the University of Tennessee Medical Center a few hours after the shooting. The church’s minister, the Rev. Chris Buice, returned from a vacation in western North Carolina when he heard about the shooting. “I will tell you, Greg McKendry, we love,” he said before Ms. Kraeger’s death, his voice breaking. “We loved Greg McKendry. Please pray for this congregation because we are grieving the loss of a wonderful man.” Amira Parkey said Mr. McKendry and his wife had recently become foster parents for a church friend of hers, Taylor Bissette, 16, who was also to be in the musical. According to a previous newspaper article that mentioned Mr. McKendry, he was an engineer with two grown children. “This guy does not realize how many lives he totally destroyed,” Amira said of the gunman. “People who do this, they think they’ve got problems, but they destroy so many other people’s lives.” --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] military info. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > With all due respect. Please refrain from using specific > unit names, team sizes and organizational equipment used in > a combat theater on the digest or the internet in general. > If you're military or prior.... you know the importance > of a SALUTE report. Let's not make it any easier for > the bad guys 'eh? Again, I request in total respect. It would be easier just to say OPSEC I think. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: <2@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] tsa and sticks Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:31:35 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As an update on my last e-mail. My Brother just flew in for a visit from South Carolina (to Mississippi) and he had no problems flying with his cane. He doesn't need a cane for ambulation rather he carries it for self-defense only. He told me that earlier this year he flew to Ecuador with it and had no problems. As a matter of fact the lady at the gate in Ecuador when she saw his cane motioned him over to VIP/Diplomat entrance where he and his wife were able to by pass the long line and go right in. Blessings, Rez Cane Fighting List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CaneFighting/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: <2@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Tennessee church shootings Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:44:46 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tagaturo Klement, This is a very sad tragedy and we mourn with you and the good folks of Tennessee. It is good to know that your student cared enough for the lives of others to put his own life on the line while protecting them with his martial skills. That is a good reflection on him for his bravery and you and your organization for the training you have imparted to him. I hope that your organization sees fit to present him with a special honor for bravery in the service of others. Blessings, Rez Johnson --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ovida@comcast.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:45:10 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Military Info Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good point Jason. Any present or prior military person knows the importance of good OPSEC. I sure our fellow FMAer's are interested in what type of FMA systems are taught to our military in OIF / OEF, but please - for the future reference, only credit the FMA systems only being taught to our fighting military and leave out all specifics about mission related operations (i.e. units, personnel, mission type, and bases (FOBs and COBs), etc. Although most of this information is open source intelligence, it is still very sensitive and close hold. Let's not make this great FMA forum a victim of intelligence spillage. Thanks in advance for you understanding. Othello Vida CPT, Military Intelligence US Army -------------- Original message -------------- From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:17:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: jason couture > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] military info. > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > With all due respect. Please refrain from using specific unit names, team sizes > and organizational equipment used in a combat theater on the digest or the > internet in general. If you're military or prior.... you know the importance of > a SALUTE report. Let's not make it any easier for the bad guys 'eh? Again, I > request in total respect. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: <2@msfencing.org> To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:46:20 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Subject: [Eskrima] The Wasp Injection Knife Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone seen the Wasp Injection Knife yet? I think its high price will keep them off the streets and out of mainstream use. "The Wasp Injection Knife - Originally designed to kill sharks and bears, the Wasp Knife is equally effective on humans with its cartridge of compressed gas inside. Once inserted into its victim, it shoots out enough gas to create a frozen cavity inside the body the size of a basketball, killing the poor soul by instantly freezing internal organs." http://www.waspknife.com/about.php Blessings, Rez --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tennessee church shootings Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:22:25 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Inayan rules! :) Steve, please send our congrats to Jamie. And our prayers go out to the others. Ray On Jul 28, 2008, at 1:01 AM, Steve Klement wrote: > Perhaps some of you have heard about the shooting Sunday in Knoxville, > TN that has led to two deaths so far. In case you haven't, I have > posted a NY Times article below. What does any of this have to do with > Eskrima and why am I posting it here? One of the brave souls (Mr. > Jamie Parkey) that jumped on and controlled the shotgun toting nutcase > is my Inayan Eskrima student. > > To say the least, I am proud of his actions and happy he and his > family is safe. > > -- > Tagaturo Klement > www.inayan.com > www.inayan.com/forums > Inayan School of Eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest