Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #198 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Salutation (Felipe Jocano) 2. Re: The Wasp Injection Knife (adam babb) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 03:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Salutation To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In addition to Joe's post below, I'd like to add a few more details: One reason for not bowing formally (in most systems, exceptions as noted below) is pragmatic: as long as the other guy is also holding a weapon in his/her hand, you're likely to get whacked on the head if you look down as in bowing. A nod is usually enough. Another reason for kneeling on one leg is that the hand movements involve taking the teacher's hand and placing it on your forehead. This latter is a common sign of respect among many cultural groups all over the archipelago. In our group's case, the reason for doing our salute (fist over chest) is as a remembrance of the revolutionary background of our country: Supposedly, one of the many recognition signs of the Katipunan (the revolutionary group working against the Spanish in the 19th century during the last years of the Spanish colonial regime) was to take one's hat off and place it against the chest when passing a possible fellow member on the street. When done naturally, it looks quite innocent - except to those in the know. If the other party were a fellow revolutionary, then he (if male) would return the gesture. If it were not returned, then nothing would come of it. It should be noted that in the oral histories of many FMA, the connection to the revolution against the Spanish is always mentioned. Caveat: remember I used the word supposedly. Whether or not this little vignette is true depends on much research into 19th century Philippines, especially life in Manila. There are other groups which have an elaborately choreographed salute, and in the case of one of my teachers, a simple handshake was enough. Bot --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Joseph Marana wrote: > From: Joseph Marana > Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Salutation > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 1:34 AM > There really is no "standard" nor > "official" salute to all the FMA in > general. Just as the peoples and dialects of the > Philippines are as > numerous and diverse as its many islands, so are the FMA > systems and methods > that came out of them. In GENERAL most Filipinos do not > bow to each other > like their East Asian counterparts. Just as most Americans > do not bow to > each other either. There is a significant Western > influence in the > Philippines, not just from the US but also from Europe, > namely the Spanish. > Now, there are echoes from colonialism and just as soldiers > or knights would > bow/kneel before royalty there are some FMA systems that > include a kneel as > part of a full formal salute, usually on one knee and > involving a motion > that symbolizes the holstering of a sword. There are also > FMA styles that > do bow. > > Joe Marana > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eternal IV [mailto:eternal_iv@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:44 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Salutation > > > Hello World! > > Long time reader, first time poster. > > I am wondering what the real interpretation of a Salutation > is in regards to > FMA. Also how other schools differ in their version ect. > > I practice 'Eskrima' and instead of bowing we > salute. By this I mean we > bring > our arms with our fists clenched in front of our chest and > form an X, we our > backs straight. > > My understanding is that in Filipino culture they do not > bow to any MAN, > only > GOD. Is this true? > > Peace to all, > Scott > > _________________________________________________________________ > Meet singles near you. 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I think its high > price will keep > them off the streets and out of mainstream use. > > "The Wasp Injection Knife - Originally designed to > kill sharks and bears, > the Wasp Knife is equally effective on humans with its > cartridge of > compressed gas inside. Once inserted into its victim, it > shoots out enough > gas to create a frozen cavity inside the body the size of a > basketball, > killing the poor soul by instantly freezing internal > organs." > > http://www.waspknife.com/about.php > > Blessings, Rez > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest