Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #202 - 1 msg X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: KALI - the similarities (Talibung Antike) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Talibung Antike Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KALI - the similarities To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Bill, Here's the explanation of Kilat Serrada on this Malayan Definition: :-) "Hi all , upon asking my mates in malaysia, the 'X' sign is not literally translate as 'kali' in the malay language. in summary, 'X' sign in the school is still called 'X' in Malay. Here if it denotes the symbol. Cruzada is not 'kali' in malay. Cruzada is not 'Multply' per se. Though, it is said '2 times 3' or '2 multiply by 3' is said as '2 kali 3' in malay, the connotations and context is different upon usage. In example, 'how many times did he shouted' in this context, 'kali' is used for the times so it is not the 'X' sign 'He did it Once' in this context, the Once is translated in malay as SeKali.. 'How many multiple times did the price increase', here the malay word 'Kali ganda' is used to denote multiple times ... 'Once', 'Twice', 'Thrice' in malay would be 'SeKali, 'Dua Kali', Tiga Kali' etc. it would be so odd to a malay speaking person to connect the malay word 'kali' to some weapon arts P.S. - If one were to ask why the word Cruzada, or 'X' sign/symbol denote the technique, it is the way both hands cross each other in Scissor or 'X' or cross section. No where or remotely it ever connote 'multiple times' or 'multiplication factor' or 'times' etc. Cheers " http://www.fmaforum.org/index.php?showtopic=3451&hl= --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Bill Debuque wrote: From: Bill Debuque Subject: [Eskrima] KALI - the similarities To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 6:02 AM "KALI" in Hiligaynon - refers to the movement of the hand which leads to the unearthing of something which was originally buried, like "mani" or "kamote" (which incidentally starts with a thrusting or stabbing movement to the ground using a pointed implement such as a knife) KALI in Bahasa Indonesia/Malaysia - refers to the movement of the hand which produces the "X" symbol (which are basically slashing strokes)   If you execute the movements described by the above definitions you will have basically covered the original 5 basic offensive techniques of the FMA - "Cinco Teros" (before it evolved into 12 in veneration of the 12 Apostles of Christ)   It is also worth noting that the "KAmot LIhok" or "hand movement" definition allegedly provided by certain old FMA masters to Dan Inosanto appears to be applicable from a "universal" context under either of the above definitions.   Believe it or not.... =[:->]       _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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