Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #212 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: French/Italian styles (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Sidney Stein To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:19:42 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Defensor Method Annual Retreat Elgin, IL Sept 13-14 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Up coming Events!DefensorMethod Summer Retreat:Featuring: Guro Nate Defensor – “Defensor Method of Filipino Martial Arts”Seminar Fee: $95 (prepaid in advance), $100.00 at the door both days, one day $50.Date: Saturday & Sunday, September 13 & 14, 2008Time: 8am – quitting timeLocation: East Side Recreational Center/Defensor Method Elgin1080 E. Chicago St., Elgin, IL 60120For More Information: Call Nate at 847-239-3990 or email or call Demetrio Ruiz at 847.873.7907Saturday Sept. 13, 2008:8:00am – 9:00am - Sign Release, 2-stick warm-ups, sinawali, disarms.9:00am - 10:30am – Single Stick drills & counters10:30am – 10:45am - Break10:45am – 12:00pm - Empty Hand Drills, Hubad lubad, lock flow, panatukan drills, sikaran drills12:00am-1:00pm – Lunch/Shopping/Break1:00pm-2:00pm- Overview of DM Sumbrada, DM Numerada, DM Lock n’ Block2:00pm-3:25pm- Overview of “Lagina Arnis Federation Moro-Moro 1-15”, Pekiti-Tirsia’s 64 Attacks, DM Seguidas3:25-3:40pm – Break3:40pm-5:40pm – Takedowns, Sambuts, Guntings, Defensive moves, Silat Entries, etc….5:40pm-8:15pm – Dinner/Bar-B-Q Mixture of Mexican, Filipino & Thai cuisines. Pitch in $10-$20 at least cover 3-meals.8:15pm – 10pm – Night games, Big Screen Martial Arts videos and MovicsSunday Sept. 14, 2008:8am – 11am – Review level I & II curriculum11 – 11:15am – break11:15 – 12:30 – sparring, sparring drills, Muay Thai Training12:30 – 1:45 – Lunch1:45 pm – 6pm – Review basics, 65 Attack, Serrada Counters, DM Eskala Basics, Stick Dummy, Knife driils, Dos Manos, etc…www.defensormethod.com _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:50:20 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Villabrille and the name Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Back to our favorite subject of Kali, the Mother Art... :) There are a handful of Villabrille's still living in Lihue and in Kapaa on Kauai (Hawaii). Isn't that where Floro lived, and died? Are these folks perhaps descendants of Floro? It would be interesting to hear from his own familial lineage where he claimed the word Kali came from. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: tim To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Salutations, FWIW Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It could just be coincidence.? I'm just wondering how > sometimes, because it was occupied by some foreign country, > why the transfer of technology/culture usually comes from > the occuying force and not the other way around.? This > is?in?lieu of traditions that?have already existed before > the foreigners' arrival.? I guess any form of showing > humility and respect is pretty universal but then having > imposed the sign of respect on the Mexicans might have been > just a transfer.? It would be a great find if there were > records (pre-hispanic) that would say otherwise to Spanish > influence. the influence did not go just one way, and there was also cultural exchange between the philippines and mexico. remember that the manila-acapulco galleon trade took place for 250 years, from 1565-1810 when mexican independence disrupted the practice. tim --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Salutations, FWIW To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fwiw, again.   i know of a scholarly group currently researching the historical possibility (authenticity?) of the galleon trade being responsible for bringing FMA to Mexico.   Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --- On Tue, 8/12/08, tim wrote: From: tim Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Salutations, FWIW To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 7:26 AM the influence did not go just one way, and there was also cultural exchange between the philippines and mexico. remember that the manila-acapulco galleon trade took place for 250 years, from 1565-1810 when mexican independence disrupted the practice. tim _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:15:38 -0700 (PDT) From: James Nordstrom To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Spanish school of fencing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Here's some Spanish material and video. http://www.plumes.org/destreza/index.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLEvUr9hVU4&feature=related  It always amazes me how people will say Spanish Fencing Arts influenced the FMA when they do not know the first thing about SFA.  Cheers Jim --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: James Nordstrom To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] French/Italian styles Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have any information on the French or Italian fencing styles influencing Eskrima ?  What French or Italian styles? IMHO the Germans likely influenced FMA more than the Spanish. Just look at the messer video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sVdx7nzhQ&feature=related and you will see how much of FMA came from the German system.  Cheers Jim --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Tom Howanic" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Spanish school of fencing Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:54:30 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So I guess then that Tagalog was not influenced by the Spanish either... Of Course the Spanish arts influenced the FMA. It's obvious. The Spanish had good techniques and they occupied the Philippines. It's not much of a stretch to believe the Spanish Arts influenced the FMA. Many of the techniques in the youtube video I have seen in the Filipino Arts. How much do you know about the FMA??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Nordstrom" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Spanish school of fencing > Here's some Spanish material and video. > http://www.plumes.org/destreza/index.html > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLEvUr9hVU4&feature=related > It always amazes > me how people will say Spanish Fencing Arts influenced the FMA when they > do > not know the first thing about SFA. > > Cheers > Jim > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] French/Italian styles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Looks like those guys were spying on my espada y daga workouts.  quite revealing tape.   mr. nordstrom, maybe you could educate us.   i am just guessing whoever uses the term "spanish fencing" meant learned from the spaniards who were in the Phil. during those times, historically the friars and the officers.   so praytell, tell us how german fencing got to influence FMA, since most of us cannot distinguish german, french, italian and thousand island fencing.   thank you.   jay de leon www.tipunan.com --- On Tue, 8/12/08, James Nordstrom wrote: From: James Nordstrom Subject: [Eskrima] French/Italian styles To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 12:06 PM Does anyone have any information on the French or Italian fencing styles influencing Eskrima ?  What French or Italian styles? IMHO the Germans likely influenced FMA more than the Spanish. Just look at the messer video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38sVdx7nzhQ&feature=related and you will see how much of FMA came from the German system.  Cheers Jim _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest