Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #217 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2600 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. FMA Chicago Area (Dale) 2. Panuntukan /JKD/FMA same same.. (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Chicago FMA Instructor (GatPuno@aol.com) 4. Re: KALI definition (Rich Acosta) 5. Re: Chicago FMA Instructor (realitycombat) 6. World Nickelstick Eskrima Club Balintawak style (Ray) 7. FMA in Chicago (Kim Satterfield) 8. LinkedIn (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dale" To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:29:13 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] FMA Chicago Area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net <> Guro Nate integrates PT into the Defensor Method. See you in the sticks, Dale www.EskrimaSpace.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:31:37 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Panuntukan /JKD/FMA same same.. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Davis, I am just using an example of the FMA is used what is work, long before the JKD was created. Not changing the meaning of it, cant argue about the meaning of it, since I am not a 1/JKD practitioner, 2/seen the whole nucleus of JKD, 3/understand what is the deeper meaning of it, my only assumption is Bruce and Guro Dan preaches used what is work or Aabsorb what is useful. This FMA is all about, we select techniques that only works, if is not worth taking, we dont take and if is worth taking believed me we just dont take the ownership of it. I dont know, I am not here to change what speliing you are using to Panantukan, if you will asked me as Tagalog speaker, Panuntukan is the proper spelling. But its all good as long as refer as Filipino Boxing. Good days, no much to say about JKD, only seeing and hearing the same theory of belief in FMA. If not, pardon my innocent on the subject, just thought we are talking the same apple and oranges, may be yes may be not. > > whilst JKD is not simply a collection of techniques from other arts, > it is true that Lee's drawings and references in the Tao came from the > US Navy definitive book on boxing that was written by whoever who had > served in the Phillipines. When Inosanto showed it to Manong Lacoste > he laughed refferring to it as Filipino or Panantukan ! > im not sure if this is the one: > http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=22336&cat=324& > page=1 > > As  Guro Inosanto created the Jun Fan curriculum in a manner that was > taught in the Los Angeles era, the Jun Fan and Panantukan sets are > similar as a learning methodology coming from his school teaching > background. > > JKD is not a collection of eclectic techniques, its the synergy at any > given moment to what is appropriate utilising any art that is > appropriate. You cant be bound by an art and whatever you may think of > him, Vunak was perhaps one of the best exponents of that and in modern > sport application i see Paulson doing it in his CSW. > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 7:27 PM,  wrote: > > Seriously, whether it is or not, we cannot confirm that, because everyone > is > > guilty of somewhat taking thing from each arts, so before Bruce Lee > discover > > the Jeet Kune Do or created, Filipino already do that, we have the > original > > Jet > > Kune Do (collection of techniques from other fighting arts) new invaders > new > > techniques absorb then we called it Eskrima, Arnis, I guess this is not > refer > > to Ka-li because Eskrima and Arnis is not the mother art, but > Arnis/Eskrima is > > the Mother FXXXXG arts I tell you. > > -- > Pat Davies > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000 30000000007 ) --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:44:19 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Chicago FMA Instructor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gord, Guro Nate Defensor(guronate@yahoo.com) is a best choice, since he has vast of knowledge in FMA, from Pikiti Tirsia, Silat, Serrada, even Garimot Moro-moro/Buno. Also you can visit our group in Chicago you can contact Gat Guro Mike "Tandang" Eugenio (ekim60618@yahoo.com), he taught Inosanto Blend, Balicki/Lameco, Taichi and off-course Garimoit Arnis/Buno. Gat Guro Carlos "Maso" Carpintero (Garimot Arnis/Buno) ccarpenter73@yahoo.com, he direct student from Florida Headquarter. > hi, > once again, the asawa is wanting to Go see her sister in chicago. two > weeks in december. > all I can find so far is dekiti tirsia kali, defensor method, > degerberg academy and I think there is north shore. > that sounds like ã great list of choices, but I'm hoping to find > pekiti tirsia (!), or another style with some good dumog. > I hope someone here can help me. > Regards, > Gord > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000 30000000007 ) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Rich Acosta" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: KALI definition Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, I just cleared up a misconception on my part. I discussed the matter with Mataw Guro Louelle Lledo and he confirmed that this usage of the term "Kali" to mean "Secret Knowledge" is not used by Kuntawan practitioners in Mindanao. I apologize for the confusion. He uses the term Kali in his system Amara Arkanis not to refer to the art itself but to reference the wisdom and underlying principles of his art. This is not something that he invented, and according to Mataw Guro Lou this definition is used by other teachers of the FMA that he knew in the Philippines, some of whom are Arnis teachers. All in all Mataw Guro Lou is not claiming that the definition of the word Kali is ancient or that it is the mother art or really an art at all. But he does maintain that the word Kali is a Filipino term that existed prior to the expansion of its usage throughout the world to refer to the Filipino martial arts. Regards, Rich Acosta Kuntaw Kali Kruzada > ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 6 > From: Ray > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: KALI definition > Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:53:38 -0700 > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Perhaps, who knows... > > However in Zamboanga the art itself would have most likely been termed > Kuntao Silat. Years ago we used to hear it was arnis in the north, > eskrima in the central area and kali in the south. But it was most > likely Kuntao Silat in the south, and kali in the US... :) > > Ray -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:47:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: realitycombat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Chicago FMA Instructor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am located about 45 min. south east of Chicago, in Hobart IN. If you would like you are welcome to come train with us. I teach JKD and a blended system of Inosanto/PT/KunTao Silat. Sifu/Guro J Hosch -----Original Message----- >From: GatPuno@aol.com >Sent: Aug 16, 2008 7:44 AM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Chicago FMA Instructor > >Gord, > >Guro Nate Defensor(guronate@yahoo.com) is a best choice, since he has vast of >knowledge in FMA, from Pikiti Tirsia, Silat, Serrada, even Garimot >Moro-moro/Buno. Also you can visit our group in Chicago you can contact Gat >Guro Mike >"Tandang" Eugenio (ekim60618@yahoo.com), he taught Inosanto Blend, >Balicki/Lameco, Taichi and off-course Garimoit Arnis/Buno. Gat Guro Carlos >"Maso" >Carpintero (Garimot Arnis/Buno) ccarpenter73@yahoo.com, he direct student from >Florida >Headquarter. > >> hi, >> once again, the asawa is wanting to Go see her sister in chicago. two >> weeks in december. >> all I can find so far is dekiti tirsia kali, defensor method, >> degerberg academy and I think there is north shore. >> that sounds like ã great list of choices, but I'm hoping to find >> pekiti tirsia (!), or another style with some good dumog. >> I hope someone here can help me. >> Regards, >> Gord >> >> > > > > > >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Garimot Arnis Training Group International >Laguna Arnis Federation International >US Harimaw Buno Federation >Hilot Research Center USA >Tel. 954-432-4433 >www.garimot.com > > > > >************** >Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? >Read reviews on AOL Autos. > >(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 0 >30000000007 ) >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:42:20 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] World Nickelstick Eskrima Club Balintawak style Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sunday, August 17, 2008 Quijano: Sports is life with the volume turned up Jingo Quijano Sun.Star Cebu BALINTAWAK. Congratulations to the World Nickelstick Eskrima Club Balintawak style headed by Grandmaster Nick Elizar, which recently inaugurated its new clubhouse located along Banilad road. Special thanks to Mayor Butch Sepulveda and Greg Sepulveda for making it possible. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in Chicago Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Gordon, I've known Nate Defensor for well over 20 years, and he is immensely talented and knowledgeable, with excellent Dumog skills. On top of that, he is super nice guy. Check him out, I promise you won't be disappointed. As for the Degerberg Academy, what can I say? Fred Degerberg is a walking encyclopedia of knowledge, tremendous skills, and also a great guy. Chicago has some of the best FMA in the country, and Nate and Fred are the top representatives you will find there. I spent some of my most formative years in Eskrima at the Degerberg Academy in Chicago, back in the day when Nate was a regular there. Kim Satterfield -- __--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:35:12 -0600 From: "Gordon Walker" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] ahem...fma chicago area Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, once again, the asawa is wanting to Go see her sister in chicago. two weeks in december. all I can find so far is dekiti tirsia kali, defensor method, degerberg academy and I think there is north shore. that sounds like ã great list of choices, but I'm hoping to find pekiti tirsia (!), or another style with some good dumog. I hope someone here can help me. Regards, Gord -- __--__-- In the words of the late, great John Belushi, "Wise Up" --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:44:03 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] LinkedIn Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If you're already on LinkedIn, and so included, please feel free to connect to me there. http://www.linkedin.com/in/rayterry Ray --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest