Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:48:26 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #281 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Kelly Worden & Modern Arnis (Danny Anderson) 2. Re: datu (maurice gatdula) 3. Modern Arnis and the blade (david foggie) 4. Re: Most Modern Arnis people are only stick people? (Tarn Shadowhawk) 5. Re: Re: datu (jay de leon) 6. Re: Re: Most Modern Arnis people are only stick people? (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Danny Anderson To: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:12:52 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Kelly Worden & Modern Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Dan, Below is his published announcement. He says what he says re his use or non-use of the datu title in the next to the last paragraph. His admiration for Prof. Presas is very evident in his announcement. Yours, Dan Anderson To whom it may concern within the FMA community and beyond, public announcements are never enjoyable to release. Yet due to the nature of martial arts and rumors I have decided to clarify my future position regarding my personal involvement within Modern Arnis.FMA is a dynamic art, a beautiful art that has blossomed to worldwide acceptance. The late Professor Remy A. Presas committed his life to the teaching and development of all FMA as well as his personal expression, Modern Arnis.In our relationship, Professor always guided me to seek my own destiny and "make the art my own." The advancement of Natural Spirit Int'l as an independent system was well established long before Professor Presas passed away in 2001. Prior to that time I returned to Modern Arnis to share the positive bond, mutual respect, and the friendship we had established yet lost due to politics and unimportant disagreements.In his final days just prior to his death, Roland Dantes and I were both by his side, it was then Professor stated "You are not my students, you are my brothers!" After the passing of Professor Presas I continued to assist Remy Presas Jr. along with Rodel Dagooc and the late Dr. Willie Matias in his efforts to "keep the family name alive within Modern Arnis."On August 28th 2008 it will be 7 years since Professor passed away. The time has come for me to return to my own path of destiny and the advancement of Natural Spirit Int'l.I desire to make that step as a personal choice, a professional choice, as an American martial arts practitioner.I truly feel the usage of the Datu title was a vision of the late Professor Remy A. Presas. I was honored by the faith he bestowed in my dedication to propagate his teachings, while assisting in the evolution as well as the historical preservation of Modern Arnis. In that regard, I have always believed Modern Arnis is a cultural art as well as a Presas family art. With or without my assistance or opinion, Modern Arnis shall indeed continue to flourish for generations to come.It is at this time July 1st . 2008, with all due respect I renounce my usage of the title "Datu", and remove it from public usage within Natural Spirit Int'l. In addition I will no longer have any direct involvement within the political or technical stability of Modern Arnis.From this point forward I choose to disseminate my Americanized progression of Arnis as /N.S.I.A. Natural Spirit Int'l Arnis. Respectfully,Kelly S. WordenInt'l Director of Natural Spirit Int'l"What he renounced is the "open" use of the title "Datu" for himself, and most associations within modern arnis, particularly the other "Datus". He would never renounce his association with Remy A. Presas, the founder. People with ties to NSI, Kellys organization, will still call him Datu.There has been much happen in the modern arnis community that played into his decision.He is easy enough to get a hold of to get clarification. He does, certainly, include modern arnis and much blade work in his training and teaching. Regards,Dan McConnell" _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:08:41 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: datu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hey im not sure if this made it through, i tried to post it before, but did you know michelle yeoh is malaysias first DATU?   http://femalemixedmartialartists.blogspot.com/2007/09/michelle-yeoh.html   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Yeoh   can you believe she was born 1962? man shes fine.   --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: david foggie To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Modern Arnis and the blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having known Master Nilo Limpin since first training with him in 1998, he was adament to me in conversations he is not a Modern Arnis practitioner though he is friends with quite a few of the masters in the Philippines.   Regards,   David --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tarn Shadowhawk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Most Modern Arnis people are only stick people? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings,    I would like to add my name to the list of schools that teach blades as well as sticks. I teach Advincula's Combat Escrima founded by A.J.Advincula. Master Advincula is of Filipino and Native American decent so we teach in English and most of the time I have little idea of what some of you are talking about with Filipino terms. We do however honor the tradition of using the stick to practice sword moves. My escrimadors are required to make not only their own wooden swords to weight specs, but to forge their own blades in my forge under my supervision. To find my credentials in both arts, go to www.shadowhawkblades.com and follow the links to my school site and tournament site. Love to hear from the other sword fighters out there. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: datu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net michelle yeoh's title is the malaysian honorary title, usually conferred by a government body, presumably quite prestigious.  the modern arnis title is a martial arts title.  the ED past postings on this topic have been extensive (exhaustive, and exhausting?).   yes, michelle yeoh is so fine.  zhang ziyi used to be my favorite, but i have abandoned her for liu yifei (The Forbidden Kingdom, with jackie chan and jet li).   google her if you don't know her.   jay de leon www.tipunan.com --- On Mon, 10/27/08, maurice gatdula wrote: From: maurice gatdula Subject: [Eskrima] Re: datu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 9:08 PM hey im not sure if this made it through, i tried to post it before, but did you know michelle yeoh is malaysias first DATU?   http://femalemixedmartialartists.blogspot.com/2007/09/michelle-yeoh.html   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Yeoh   can you believe she was born 1962? man shes fine.   _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Most Modern Arnis people are only stick people? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net would you be kind enough to give us an update on GM Advincula?   GM Advincula is a real deal double threat-- a high ranking isshin-ryu practitioner (okinawa trained) and an arnis GM. he is half-filipino, born in the USA and a marine who served in viet nam, as tough as they come.   i met him back in the 80's when i lived at carlsbad, north county, california. he had a dojo at oceanside and was teaching isshin-ryu and eskrima, mostly to a marine clientele.  (oceanside is home to camp pendelton.)   at that time, i went to a shotokan school at the boardwalk in nearby solano beach, california.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Tarn Shadowhawk wrote: From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Most Modern Arnis people are only stick people? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 7:45 PM Greetings,    I would like to add my name to the list of schools that teach blades as well as sticks. I teach Advincula's Combat Escrima founded by A.J.Advincula. Master Advincula is of Filipino and Native American decent so we teach in English and most of the time I have little idea of what some of you are talking about with Filipino terms. We do however honor the tradition of using the stick to practice sword moves. My escrimadors are required to make not only their own wooden swords to weight specs, but to forge their own blades in my forge under my supervision. To find my credentials in both arts, go to www.shadowhawkblades.com and follow the links to my school site and tournament site. Love to hear from the other sword fighters out there. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest