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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (maurice gatdula) 2. RE: Datu title usage (Danny Anderson) 3. Re: carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? (The Sipins) 4. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (Ray) 5. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (ILDEFONSO ODAL) 6. Carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? (jorge penafiel) 7. Guros in Staunton VA (Zach Fleishman) 8. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (nephalim1@aim.com) 9. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (jay de leon) 10. Definition of the word Public and My? (rich parsons) 11. Re: Break Time for Fun !! (nephalim1@aim.com) 12. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (ILDEFONSO ODAL) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net no, but i think a more effective weapons might be a whip, or branding iron, or soy sauce, onion, ginger, garlic and crush pepper.   is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a fool out of themself?   but for real, i have people asking me this now, that makes it "authentic training". sorry we dont have buffalo, but i have some big guys who are this strong its like wresting one of them, lol. we can spread some karabao tae (shit) and mud to improved footwork...   http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=bRkkGSfu3Zo Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:18:43 +0300 From: "M.Al tares" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net greetings! am just wondering if carabao/water buffalo wrestling is a new fad (syllabus) in FMA? as for me...it's improbable.... even if u comb the whole philippine islands...AMBOT....WAAY GID SINA DONG! (none such, my dear).. only on you tube.... mert --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Danny Anderson To: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:37:02 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Datu title usage Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Dan, I didn't look at it that way when I read it but I can see the point you make. No problem. I believe how it got around to the datu title was somewhat like this:1. Modern Arnis guys are primarily stick people 2. Not all MA guys are 'stickers.' Bram and Kelly are two bladers 3. Kelly has disaffiliated himself from MA and the datu title. It sort of went like that. Like I said, no problem. Thanks for the clarification. Yours, Dan Anderson Dan, I know about Kelly's announcement. I read it before. Perhaps you should re read it. Here is a portion of the quote you so astutely provided: "I renounce my usage of the title "Datu", and remove it from public usage within Natural Spirit Int'l." I renounce MY usage....remove it from PUBLIC usage. As I said: "What he renounced is the "open" use of the title "Datu" for himself, and mostassociations within modern arnis, particularly the other "Datus". He wouldnever renounce his association with Remy A. Presas, the founder. People withties to NSI, Kellys organization, will still call him Datu. How did this get to be about the Datu title when my original post was about not all modern arnis people being just stick people? Regards,Dan McConnell _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_ 102008 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "The Sipins" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:30:32 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Val was told not to hit him in the head, or to go too hard. He said that Jason did do more than he expected. Tom Sipin www.fwma.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay de leon" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? > re the Human Weapon's carabao segment, i believe > the score was something like carabao 3, arnisadors 0. > > fwiw, the carabao training did not help, as in the final > combat conclusion, GM Gaje's ward (Jason Chambers) > was schooled by Val Pableo. not a fair fight, in my > opinion. Jason was fortunate to come out of that one > with just a smashed finger, but he deserves props for > having the balls to go up against a champion arnisador > (even if it is just show business). > > Jay de Leon > www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com > > p.s. i bet you val pableo did not have to wrestle > no carabao during his training, either in his youth > or for this TV show. > > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, ILDEFONSO ODAL wrote: > > From: ILDEFONSO ODAL > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:29 AM > > Greetings!!! > > During the TV series or the show called the Human Weapon and Eskrima was > the > topic, they shown Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje of Pekiti Tirsia Kali System shows > one > of > his student wrestling a carabao. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtCUEe36FE(snipped) > > Best regards, > > Jun Odal > FFALV > > www.filipinofightingartsintl.com > > http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 > http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: M.Al tares > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:18:43 PM > Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? > > greetings! > > am just wondering if carabao/water buffalo wrestling is a new fad > (syllabus) > in > FMA? > > as for me...it's improbable.... even if u comb the whole philippine > islands...AMBOT....WAAY GID SINA DONG! (none such, my dear).. > > only on you tube.... > > mert > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:14:53 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greeting! The though still brings tear in my eye (tears from lol:) I guess your right sir Ray, GT Leo probably got a good laugh out of it... That is probably why, when Fight Quest release a similar show for Eskrima and Kali, they gave the carabao a day-off or maybe a well deserve vacation. Mabuhay ang kalabaw! The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? Best regards, Jun Odal FFALV www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:21:45 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I bet when all of FMA saw the Youtube flick showing GT Gaje student trying to wrestle a carabao/water buffalo, some of these astonishing words may come to mind, i.e." SAY WHAT?, NO YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING!..FOR HEAVEN SAKE!, JEEZ FOOL DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!, and many more of your choice. Pinoys would most provably utter this phrase " ay patawarin ng dios - God Please forgive" and many more appropriate beguiling words than the above. What a show though - Animal wins over a mis-guided man! Perhaps, it skipped GT Gaje judgement that the carabao not only was it huge, he's student had to wrestle the animal on his turf - the rice field!! As the Philippines beast of burden, the carabao thrives on all kinds of heavy farm jobs thru out his years of existence, terribly solid and strong, and the rice fields his playground. On his turf,,,a tractor would have the better chance to flip him down and let's leave it at that..One can try as you know man often gets these grandiose ideas at times. For me, one of such idea would be to try " mud wrestling with a bunch of pretty women" but not a carabao. Ano sira' ulo?? (I must be nuts). jorge penafiel --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:13:48 -0400 From: "Zach Fleishman" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guros in Staunton VA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey guys. Im trying to find a guro in or around the Staunton VA area. So far ive haad no luck but i thought one of you might know one. Thanks --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:44:54 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net my lolo included that in his arroz caldo (cut-up pieces together with the chicken). yes, my lolo or grandfather (not my lola) was our chef whenever we went home to the province. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:44 AM Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: rich parsons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Definition of the word Public and My? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dan, I am confused. I understand not debying who your teacher was and I support that. My confusion comes over the fact that you and others are calling him Datu in Public. So, if I read your logic properly it is an "AND" statement on the requirements of "MY" and "PUBLIC". So this would only apply to him and the usage for others would still be allowed. The confusion I have with this, is that another source stated that Someone else was the only American Datu left. I will call Kelly and ask him myslef to see if he can clarify the confusion I have. Thanks Rich Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: dan mcconnell To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Modern arnis people and the blade......and I guess Datu Wordens use of the title "Datu" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dan, I know about Kelly's announcement. I read it before. Perhaps you should re read it. Here is a portion of the quote you so astutely provided: "I renounce my usage of the title "Datu", and remove it from public usage within Natural Spirit Int'l." I renounce MY usage....remove it from PUBLIC usage. As I said: "What he renounced is the "open" use of the title "Datu" for himself, and most associations within modern arnis, particularly the other "Datus". He would never renounce his association with Remy A. Presas, the founder. People with ties to NSI, Kellys organization, will still call him Datu. How did this get to be about the Datu title when my original post was about not all modern arnis people being just stick people? Regards, Dan McConnell --__--__-- Message: 11 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Break Time for Fun !! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:23:25 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW.? Would like to order a few of these, especially the balut. http://www.flipsidetshirts.com/cgi-bin/flipside.cgi/4016259492 -----Original Message----- From: jorge penafiel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 8:16 pm Subject: [Eskrima] Break Time for Fun !! Whoahahaha!! Guess this is what we need in ED - a fun break at times as we've always been too serious with our FMA talks, not to mention all this businesses/banking/stock market/etc. going down the drain. Drives us nuts!! See, this what I missed about good ole pinoy way, although near or far from the homeland, pinoys still finds time to get their funny side out. Jun ,"Verlut",,filipino viagra is just too funny. Hey, have not heard anyone complaining about the ill-effects of Beer and Balut. Proof is the Philippines counts as being there as the most populous per land area.See you soon in your turf- Vegas!! Bill,,yeah the Iloilo waterfront was a combat zone then and still is today. Not a good place to be specially if you are not from there. What LEO,,,not in their vocabulary or job description to be in any waterfront area to keep peace. Happy Halloween to you all specially to Prof. Bot there in UP. Jay,,you my man!! jorge penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:29:59 -0700 (PDT) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I prefer chicken ampalaya soup, chicken lemongrass soup, sinampalukan manok, spicy chicken & pork adobo for pulutan with quatro kantos or ice cold San Miguel beer, INUMAN NA!... hehehe Best regards, Jun Odal FFALV www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: "nephalim1@aim.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44:54 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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