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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (jay de leon) 2. Re: Filipino Martial Artists vs. the Carabao (Bill Debuque) 3. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (nephalim1@aim.com) 4. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (jay de leon) 5. Datu/Kelly Worden/ and confusion... (dan mcconnell) 6. WEKAF Tournament Sparring Sticks (Allan Duncan) 7. Re: WEKAF Tournament Sparring Sticks (The Sipins) 8. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (nephalim1@aim.com) 9. Re: Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA (Felipe Jocano) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net you sound like a kanto boy (street corner toughie).  i better not catch you in my neighborhood.   but you forgot the Ginebra San Miguel lapad (gin).   jay de leon www.tipunan.com   p.s. drinking trivia--with a few exceptions,  (alcoholic) drinks in the Phil. are drunk with a lot of ice, including beer.  Exceptions: lambanog, tuba. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, ILDEFONSO ODAL wrote: From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:29 PM I prefer chicken ampalaya soup, chicken lemongrass soup, sinampalukan manok, spicy chicken & pork adobo for pulutan with quatro kantos or ice cold San Miguel beer, INUMAN NA!... hehehe Best regards, Jun Odal FFALV www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: "nephalim1@aim.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:44:54 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ : http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Debuque Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino Martial Artists vs. the Carabao To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net According to oldtimers, based on experiments conducted using Philippine Carabaos condemned to be slaughtered, a former Asian Heavyweight Karate Champion from Negros Occidental was able to knock-out an adult Carabao with a single punch....  Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings!!! During the TV series or the show called the Human Weapon and Eskrima was the topic, they shown Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje of Pekiti Tirsia Kali System shows one of his student wrestling a carabao. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtCUEe36FE On another system Kyokushinkaikan Karate or Kyokushin, the late Sosai Masutatsu Oyama wrestle and KO a Bull even broke off the horn! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql99zLrU1wQ --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:54:24 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manong Jay, ???? My mother would mix the blood on uncooked rice and let it coagulate and afterwards drop it in the broth while cooking. -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA my lolo included that in his arroz caldo (cut-up pieces together with the chicken). yes, my lolo or grandfather (not my lola) was?our chef whenever we went home to the province. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:44 AM Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net jose:   similar.  when you cut the chicken's throat, you collect the blood in a bowl, let it sit there and coagulate, just like dinuguan.  then, when the chicken is cooking, you just drop it in.  later, when it is cooked, you can cut it into smaller pieces if you want, so nobody ends up getting the whole piece, and it gets shared.   by the way, my lolo would also throw in the chicken heart, liver, gizzard and, get this, the head (chopped into a cube so you can barely recognize it).  in the province, nothing goes to waste.   i used to look for the liver and heart.  maybe that is why i am chicken-hearted.   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --- On Fri, 10/31/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 7:54 AM Manong Jay, ???? My mother would mix the blood on uncooked rice and let it coagulate and afterwards drop it in the broth while cooking. -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA my lolo included that in his arroz caldo (cut-up pieces together with the chicken). yes, my lolo or grandfather (not my lola) was?our chef whenever we went home to the province. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:44 AM Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:11:01 -0700 (PDT) From: dan mcconnell To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Datu/Kelly Worden/ and confusion... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Dan, No Problem. I just know where he stands as I talk to him frequently. Regards, Dan McConnell Rich P., Kudos to you if/when you call him for clarification. He will be very honest and forthright. He doesn't pull punches and will tell you exactly where he stands. Some people don't like that. Peace, Dan McConnell Message: 2 From: Danny Anderson To: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:37:02 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Datu title usage Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Dan, I didn't look at it that way when I read it but I can see the point you make. No problem. I believe how it got around to the datu title was somewhat like this:1. Modern Arnis guys are primarily stick people 2. Not all MA guys are 'stickers.' Bram and Kelly are two bladers 3. Kelly has disaffiliated himself from MA and the datu title. It sort of went like that. Like I said, no problem. Thanks for the clarification. Yours, Dan Anderson Dan, I know about Kelly's announcement. I read it before. Perhaps you should re read it. Here is a portion of the quote you so astutely provided: "I renounce my usage of the title "Datu", and remove it from public usage within Natural Spirit Int'l." I renounce MY usage....remove it from PUBLIC usage. As I said: "What he renounced is the "open" use of the title "Datu" for himself, and mostassociations within modern arnis, particularly the other "Datus". He wouldnever renounce his association with Remy A. Presas, the founder. People withties to NSI, Kellys organization, will still call him Datu. How did this get to be about the Datu title when my original post was about not all modern arnis people being just stick people? Regards,Dan McConnell _________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Allan Duncan To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF Tournament Sparring Sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Group. Would anyone have a source that they could recommend that supplies the sanded rattan sparring sticks used in WEKAF style tournaments? Any information you could share would be appreciated! Thanks. Allan Duncan --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "The Sipins" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] WEKAF Tournament Sparring Sticks Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:39:34 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Allan, where are you located? Tom Sipin www.fwma.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Duncan" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:53 AM Subject: [Eskrima] WEKAF Tournament Sparring Sticks > Hello Group. > > Would anyone have a source that they could recommend that supplies the > sanded rattan sparring sticks used in WEKAF style tournaments? Any > information you could share would be appreciated! Thanks. > > Allan Duncan > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 12:55:53 -0500 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net chicken hearts is my son's favorite even if he grew up in the States.? Ahh, walkmans(head) and adidas(feet).? Not on my favorites list but I'm sure is on somone else's. Chicken hearted?? Maybe as a sabungin na manok (fighting cock/rooster). -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA jose: ? similar.? when you cut the chicken's throat, you collect the blood in a bowl, let it sit there and coagulate, just like dinuguan.? then, when the chicken is cooking, you just drop it in.? later, when it is cooked, you can cut it into smaller pieces if you want, so nobody ends up getting the whole piece, and it gets shared. ? by the way, my lolo would also throw in the chicken heart, liver, gizzard and, get this, the head (chopped into a cube so you can barely recognize it).? in the province, nothing goes to waste. ? i used to look for the liver and heart.? maybe that is why i am chicken-hearted. ? jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --- On Fri, 10/31/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 7:54 AM Manong Jay, ???? My mother would mix the blood on uncooked rice and let it coagulate and afterwards drop it in the broth while cooking. -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA my lolo included that in his arroz caldo (cut-up pieces together with the chicken). yes, my lolo or grandfather (not my lola) was?our chef whenever we went home to the province. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: From: nephalim1@aim.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:44 AM Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in my tinola! -----Original Message----- From: ILDEFONSO ODAL To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali group still practice the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the machete or bolo? www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out of it. Actually I suspect that Leo was too... Ray On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those guys makes a > fool out > of themself? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Right on. Remember too the wild (as in jungle)chicken is anything but chicken-hearted :-) Bot --- On Tue, 11/4/08, nephalim1@aim.com wrote: > From: nephalim1@aim.com > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 1:55 AM > chicken hearts is my son's favorite even if he grew up > in the States.? Ahh, walkmans(head) and adidas(feet).? Not > on my favorites list but I'm sure is on somone > else's. Chicken hearted?? Maybe as a sabungin na manok > (fighting cock/rooster). > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jay de leon > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 1:16 pm > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > > > > > > > > > > > jose: > ? > similar.? when you cut the chicken's throat, you > collect the blood in a bowl, let it sit there and > coagulate, just like dinuguan.? then, when the > chicken is cooking, you just drop it in.? later, > when it is cooked, you can cut it into smaller > pieces if you want, so nobody ends up getting > the whole piece, and it gets shared. > ? > by the way, my lolo would also throw in the > chicken heart, liver, gizzard and, get this, the > head (chopped into a cube so you can barely > recognize it).? in the province, nothing goes > to waste. > ? > i used to look for the liver and heart.? maybe > that is why i am chicken-hearted. > ? > jay de leon > www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com > > > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, nephalim1@aim.com > wrote: > > From: nephalim1@aim.com > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 7:54 AM > > Manong Jay, > ???? My mother would mix the blood on uncooked rice and let > it coagulate and > afterwards drop it in the broth while cooking. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jay de leon > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 2:13 pm > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > > > > > > > > > > > my lolo included that in his arroz caldo > (cut-up pieces together with the chicken). > yes, my lolo or grandfather (not my lola) > was?our chef whenever we went home to > the province. > > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, nephalim1@aim.com > wrote: > > From: nephalim1@aim.com > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 10:44 AM > > Chicken blood for blessings?? I'd rather put that in > my tinola! > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ILDEFONSO ODAL > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:50 am > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question that pops in my head now is, does certain kali > group still > practice > the blessing with chicken blood and the initiation with the > machete or bolo? > > > www.filipinofightingartsintl.com > > http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 > http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ray > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:14:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: wrestling karabaw in FMA > > I think most all eskrimadors were getting a good laugh out > of it. > Actually I suspect that Leo was too... > > Ray > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, maurice gatdula wrote: > > > is it me, or is all the pilipinos laughing while those > guys makes a > > fool out > > of themself? > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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