Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #297 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? (Kali Kapatid - J Montes) 2. carabao wrestling (Bo Kaner) 3. Re: Flanders Fields > (Beungood8@aol.com) 4. Re: Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? (Red Gonzales) 5. Re: carabao wrestling (Talibung Antike) 6. TAGALOG (Red Gonzales) 7. Re: Trovador Ramos (james jr. sy) 8. Re: carabao wrestling (ILDEFONSO ODAL) 9. Re: Re: Flanders Fields (Ray) 10. RE: Re: Flanders Fields > (Andy) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:11:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kali Kapatid - J Montes Subject: Re: Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Great Question! Buno/Dumog, which are two names usually associated with Carabao wrestling, are not a new fad in FMA, in fact they are an old Philippine tradition. In some towns during yearly festivals they have a Carabao wrestling competition. The champion usually wins something great like money or something expensive. You will find in some FMA systems usually Dumog or Buno or even Philippine Combat Judo which operates along similar fighting concepts. I like them all, and imho it's easy if you're familiar with one type to learn the other. This is usually what one will utilize when accosted, say, in a bar. Empty hand. If you've never experienced something like this I would recommend checking out a PTK seminar or something comparable that incorporates Buno/Dumog/Dumpag into their curriculum. There's nothing like ground domination and I'm not talking MMA, kapatids. Just my nickel :P , ~John --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bo Kaner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] carabao wrestling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net greetings EDers, carabao wrestling was and never will be a part of the Filipino Indigenous Martial Arts. This people propagating this kind of training distorts the cultural heritage of the Filipinos. just a point of clarification, Tagalog is not our Filipino language. It is part of the different languages in the Philippines. bo --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:30:03 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Flanders Fields > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 11/19/2008 7:09:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: From: Beungood8@aol.com > In Flanders Fields > > Many years ago while a member of a mounted honor guard, I saw the author of > this poem read it during a veterans ceremony. He had on his old uniform and > to this day it gives me chills thinking about it. You could hear a pin drop.. It'd have to be many years ago - John McRae died in 1918. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis www.youngforest No,saw an old Man in his WW2 Uniform read that poem, we were told he was the Author. **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:48:34 +0800 (SGT) From: Red Gonzales Subject: Re: Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While it is true that there is such thing as carabao wrestling in RP, the REAL TRUTH is that:   1.  No one grapples with a full grown carabao like what Gaje had a Filipino alalay do in Human Weapon.  Traditionally, the tinday is the object of the throw.    2.  There's no such thing as ground grappling in Dumog.  The object is to THROW the opponent, not to go down with him.  The object is for him to touch his shoulders to the ground.  If you both drop to the ground, there's no winner.    I should know because I'm an exponent of Dumog from Bacolod, and so are my dad, uncles, and cousins who came from Antique, the birthplace of Dumog.    Red Gonzales        --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Kali Kapatid - J Montes wrote: From: Kali Kapatid - J Montes Subject: Re: Subject: [Eskrima] carabao/water buffalo wrestling in FMA? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, 23 November, 2008, 6:11 AM Great Question! Buno/Dumog, which are two names usually associated with Carabao wrestling, are not a new fad in FMA, in fact they are an old Philippine tradition. In some towns during yearly festivals they have a Carabao wrestling competition. The champion usually wins something great like money or something expensive. You will find in some FMA systems usually Dumog or Buno or even Philippine Combat Judo which operates along similar fighting concepts. I like them all, and imho it's easy if you're familiar with one type to learn the other. This is usually what one will utilize when accosted, say, in a bar. Empty hand. If you've never experienced something like this I would recommend checking out a PTK seminar or something comparable that incorporates Buno/Dumog/Dumpag into their curriculum. There's nothing like ground domination and I'm not talking MMA, kapatids. Just my nickel :P , ~John _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Yahoo! Toolbar is now powered with Search Assist.Download it now! http://ph.toolbar.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Talibung Antike Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao wrestling To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings! Am affirming Bo's declaration. To our friends who are avid practitioners and enthusiasts of FMA particularly those who have just learned from Dumog propagators who distorted the Traditional Filipino Indigenous Art of Dumog. Take note: the Philippine water buffalo "Carabao" is the National Animal of the Philippines being one of the most dependable and loyal partners of Filipinos/ farmers in the Philippines for centuries. Hence, relegating or making it appear that the carabaos are wrestling /Dumog training partners of the Filipino Dumog players (whether for media hype and or cinematic entertainment) is a great distortion of the rich and noble Cultural Heritage of Filipinos and a desecration to the Philippine Water Buffalo/Carabao as our National Animal. -Talibung Bo Kaner wrote: greetings EDers, carabao wrestling was and never will be a part of the Filipino Indigenous Martial Arts. This people propagating this kind of training distorts the cultural heritage of the Filipinos. just a point of clarification, Tagalog is not our Filipino language. It is part of the different languages in the Philippines. bo _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Share Flickr photos with your friends within Messenger. Discover the all-new Yahoo! Messenger today! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:56:08 +0800 (SGT) From: Red Gonzales To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] TAGALOG Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Agree to that Bo my friend, Strictly speaking, Tagalog is the BASIS of the Filipino language, rather than THE Filipino language.  The Philippine Government is doing intensive research to enrich the Filipino language and that means adding words from other Filipino languages other than Tagalog.    For our Taga-Ilog bros, no disrespect intended.  Just putting things in proper perspective.    Red gonzales     --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Bo Kaner wrote: From: Bo Kaner Subject: [Eskrima] carabao wrestling To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, 23 November, 2008, 11:17 AM greetings EDers, carabao wrestling was and never will be a part of the Filipino Indigenous Martial Arts. This people propagating this kind of training distorts the cultural heritage of the Filipinos. just a point of clarification, Tagalog is not our Filipino language. It is part of the different languages in the Philippines. bo _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/ph/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Trovador Ramos To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ah yes, I remember him being a student of Pundador Aguillon.  Thanx PG Dowd.  James --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Punong Guro Steven Dowd wrote: From: Punong Guro Steven Dowd Subject: [Eskrima] Trovador Ramos To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:13 AM Trovador Ramos was from San Antonio, Zambales. Respectfully _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao wrestling To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings, Eto na ang pang-gulo... (here comes the "pang-gulo", I don't know how to say "pang-gulo" in English... Sorry!) Ang Tanong (The Question:) True or False: 1. Carabao- National Animal 2. Sampaguita- National Flower 3. Lupang Hinirang- National Anthem 4. Barong- National Costume for men 5. Saya't Kimona- National costume for women 6. Dr. Jose Rizal- National Hero 7. Mango- National fruit 8. San Miguel- National beer 9. June 12- National Holiday for what? 10. Tagalog- National Language 11. Sipa- National Sport 12. Talaba- National Pulutan 13. Kalesa- National Vehicle 14. Sakla- National Sugal 15. Balut- National Viagra Best regards, Jun Odal FFALV www.filipinofightingartsintl.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate ________________________________ From: Talibung Antike To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:36:42 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] carabao wrestling Greetings! Am affirming Bo's declaration. To our friends who are avid practitioners and enthusiasts of FMA particularly those who have just learned from Dumog propagators who distorted the Traditional Filipino Indigenous Art of Dumog. Take note: the Philippine water buffalo "Carabao" is the National Animal of the Philippines being one of the most dependable and loyal partners of Filipinos/ farmers in the Philippines for centuries. Hence, relegating or making it appear that the carabaos are wrestling /Dumog training partners of the Filipino Dumog players (whether for media hype and or cinematic entertainment) is a great distortion of the rich and noble Cultural Heritage of Filipinos and a desecration to the Philippine Water Buffalo/Carabao as our National Animal. -Talibung Bo Kaner wrote: greetings EDers, carabao wrestling was and never will be a part of the Filipino Indigenous Martial Arts. This people propagating this kind of training distorts the cultural heritage of the Filipinos. just a point of clarification, Tagalog is not our Filipino language. It is part of the different languages in the Philippines. bo _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Share Flickr photos with your friends within Messenger. Discover the all-new Yahoo! Messenger today! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Flanders Fields Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:16:46 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It would have had to be a very old and very dead man in a WWI uniform. Lieutenant Colonel John Alexander McCrae (November 30, 1872 – January 28, 1918) Ray --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Andy To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Flanders Fields > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:55:22 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > No,saw an old Man in his WW2 Uniform read that poem, we were told he was the > Author. The poet was a WW 1 Canadian officer, John McCrae, while on the front line, in Flanders. Every Canadian school kid knows this poem. Because of this poem, each November 11th, poppies are worn in Canada to remember the sacrifice of Canada's dead from that war and all our others, including those who died more recently in Afghanistan. John McCrae himself was killed shortly after writing this poem. The rest of the world is welcome to the poem, of course. Just do not steal it. Give credit to the real poet who wrote it. He died for it. Andy Raney _________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest