Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #309 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: What Martial Arts means to me. (jay de leon) 2. Re: a couple of responses (maurice gatdula) 3. Pot Money (TenDigitTouch) 4. What is MA to Me & FMA Challenges (jorge penafiel) 5. wow (Tarn Shadowhawk) 6. Re: What Martial Arts means to me. (iPat) 7. Re: Mike Hanopol/Garimot Arnis (Bill Debuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] What Martial Arts means to me. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net   well put, Tuhon Bill.   i put on my first gi (a judo kimono, to be technical about it) as a fifth grader and embarked on this incredible martial arts journey.   then, as now, martial arts will always be a part of my identity, life and passion. as Tuhon Bill alluded to, how much of it engulfs your life morphs as life itself unfolds, or gets in the way.   the only added enjoyment i have had, in addition to Tuhon Bill's experiences, is the time spent with my children in the guise of practicing martial arts-- hours in the dojo, seminars, trips all over the US and the Philippines, even parties with martial arts friends.   as the commercial goes, those memories are priceless.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com   --- On Tue, 12/2/08, william mcgrath wrote: From: william mcgrath Subject: [Eskrima] What Martial Arts means to me. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:34 AM When I started training in Pekiti-Tirsia, I was just a kid of 14. Back then martial arts meant the world to me and I wanted to be the best martial artist on the planet. My teacher, Tuhon Leo Gaje, was on a pedestal in my mind and I thought of him as a second father and that he could do no wrong. I kind of thought of Pekiti-Tirsia as my country and I was a fanatical patriot on that front. I am now 48 years old and between 14 and 48 something amazing happened to me - I grew up. With a wife, child, job, mortgage, college and retirement to save for, I now look at martial arts as an enjoyable way to keep in shape physically and mentally. I no longer care if I can beat everyone else on the planet in a fight. I only want to beat those I actually have to fight (and I try to keep those numbers to a minimum). I have been teaching Pekiti-Tirsia for nearly thirty years now, and have met some interesting people, been to some cool places and made some true friends along the way (looking back, that for me has been the best part of the whole thing). When I started martial arts, I looked at the art itself as the goal. Nowadays, I look at martial arts as a tool (a really, really cool tool, but still, just a tool) to reach a goal. Martial arts are not going to make you Superman, they are not even going to make you Batman. Hopefully, if you use them in the right way (and not let them use you), they can make you a better man. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath www.TheSwordofFire.com www.pekiti.com http://www.youtube.com/user/TuhonBillMcg _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: a couple of responses Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net   #1  Maybe the pseudo-nationalists such as Mr. Red Gonzales should direct his energy to justifying why Doce Pares and Modern Arnis, among others, use Japanese dress, belts, and salutations within their Philippine Martial Arts. Imagine bowing, the fiercely hated act that was forced upon Filipinos by the Japanese oppressors and occupiers during WWII, being adopted as formal protocol for many FMA. Sad but true.   Tim Waid Pekiti-Tirsiawww.pt-go.com the filipino's culture, is one of adapting and in a way, copying what is already being done. you have "Fists of Fury", we have "sticks of fury". you have kodokan judo, we have combat judo. you have muay thai, we have yaw yan. you have kung fu, we have kung fu-kuntaw. but i dare anyone to say if we are inferior at what we do. our singers, (maybe not our actors) martial artists, and even our politicians are great copy of what we see in the world, many times even better.   so, 50 years ago the "thing was karate" which was popular, and the same way many kung fu people copied from what was popular, to even whats in the movies, many filipino martial artist, copied off the japanese and their traditions. this does not make the art any weaker than what name we call our arts.   #2:  There you go - PKT has a Challenge!  Specially for a lot of  us who are Idiots who needs to be cleansed, studied stupid FMA that does not work, were fooled by our Instructors, are only money mongers, key board warriors and best of all had not come to the Philippines for test of strength a man of destiny. Jeepers,,,a lot of Testosterone here!! Guess I'll remained an idiot by simply having read this note showing lots of machoness and braggadocio. Thought we're here in ED to supposedly discussed FMA and not challenging each other and or resorting to harsh words or belittling other systems!!Enough fighting and challenges going around the world already! Jorge Penafiel   the challenge for pekiti tirsia is the same of any other fma style in the philippines. i am suprised that its been this long, that no one stepped forward. but it is possible that people did and no one noticed. and is also possible that people are minding there own business, maybe shaking his head, but not caring enough to say anything.   my opinion is, if a master is over in the corner saying, "i am the best fighter! i am the best fighter!", then good for him. if you dont feel that you are the best fighter and the best style, really, you should not be teaching. but when you say things like, my art is the TRUE art of the filipino and the rest of you guys are nothing (or less authentic) -- which is something my brother dan inosantos people use to say and think -- now we have a problem. as a teacher you are SUPPOSED to talk trash. you are supposed to look at another style and say "i can beat them". you are supposed to hold your head up around everyone else. but at the same time you are suppose to keep your blade sharp and keep your skills good.   #3:  Talk to Cacoy.  He will give you the exact dates, location, people  involved, etc. What does someone like Cacoy have to gain from making a false claim,  esp regarding someone 20 years his junior?  He was already starting to  fight and earn his rep when Leo was just a babe in arms. Nothing against Leo.  Just the facts.  Now whether he used what he  learned is the real question.  Perhaps little to nothing. Ray   there is no need to do this, unless mr. gaje is denied that he studied with mr. canete. training with another master is good, even if you never studied with that master and only observe him or spar against him or his student, this helps develop your fighting skill and your art, and depending on how much time you spend, its not necessary to do credits, unless you take a lot.  an example, i had a friend, named norman parker, from annapolis, who use to beat me every time we fought against each other in tournaments. he was a middle weight and i was superlightweight, so i only got to fight him if we both got first place. in a period of about 3 years i would spar with him at every tournament outside our divisions (most of the time only for a few minutes), and in the last year billy bryant hooked us up in his school in pasadena and we sparred every week. guess what i only remember one technique he showed me, but all of those matches made me better and better, even though i still never can beat him. is there a need to put him on my resume? well, i also use to do that with about 20 other fighters!   gaje should give credit to the ones who are most responsible for his art, but i dont think he has to list every person he ever learned something from. i mean how many of us got a technique from a bruce lee movie? i know i did (and it works too) but how stupid is that, my website saying "i learned a technique from a bruce lee movie!"  > )               --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: TenDigitTouch To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Pot Money Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If  it is legal, and Mr. Ray (listmaster) would set up a pay pal account for the pot money, I'd contribute 20 dollars US for the pot.  There's enough people on this list in the US that could throw in a buck or two to line up some good prize money.  Any body else want to chip in? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:17:57 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] What is MA to Me & FMA Challenges Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What is MA to me? Growing up in the Philippines, it was to belong to a group and street survival. Here in America,,it is for health, self-defense, be with the young, uphold the oriental notion that we all know KARATE, and last which I take pride in doing is be the teacher/guide/mold the youth/adults/professionals to be noble citizens of the community the Gentleman Warrior Way. ===== FMA Challenges! Big word and with lots of connotations/perspectives and end results. Yeah, there is no problem with tryimg to hone ones MA capabilities in a friendly way. If so,,hey,,do it for the fun, experience, comraderie, and adrenaline highs. Indeed, but quite different if these challenges calls for different/no rules and specially with "price money" as some would like it. Often these challenges specially between different systems , mentality, and Egos are escalated to something not worth the money or glory after all. For most FMA Notables plying the the seminar circuit here in the US, when talking about their exploits on the fighting fields, it did not do squat to help us propagate FMA in our areas. Like I said "enough fighting and challenges already". It seemed a notion here that to most of us with MA titles that the only way to prove our mettle is to be or indulge ourselves to this challenges. Maybe during my youth and craziness perhaps, but like GP Abon says' been there done that". At this point in time of our MA life for most of us in ED,,,specially those with over 40 years of MA life, do you think we have had enough fighting done already?? For most, we are paying for the experience with a lot of body pains here and there already. This is the point am telling about. My GM told us one time that to fight in the street all we need is a perfect reverse punch and a front snap kick. In FMA, I think one wicked wack to head is enough specially with a kamagong stick. Right?Maybe not and so I need to hone my techniques more. +++ Anyways,,,,Thanksgiving week was Great - Family, Sumptuous Food, Friends, and excellent ED threads to thank for!! Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:36:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] wow Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net OH thanks Julian. Now I have to start practicing nunchaku again. Never got that good tho. Don't know who that kid was but may we all be that accurate with our weapons and body. Charles Adams --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:16:35 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] What Martial Arts means to me. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net When i am alone i always have my art. My arts allow me to create and i gravitate to instructors who allow that to happen. I see on this forum so much disrespect from those with blinkers on, but it no longer bothers me as they are left behind in their dogma, whilst others are breaking new boundaries. I am fortunate to be able to walk amongst so many who give selflessly and i have them as my role models. Through my martial arts i have grown into a better person, a creative person, a listener rather than a talker. Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:11:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Debuque Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mike Hanopol/Garimot Arnis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Gat Puno Abon,   How Mike abandoned his university studies at the University of San Agustin in Iloilo City and ran away from home to work in the bars of Olongapo to learn to become a rock musician is still the stuff of legend among local musicians there (at least during my time).  I think his father used to be the DILG Regional Director for Region VI during the early Marcos years - that's how the family ended up living in Iloilo City.  He was also rumored to be the one who composed all the songs (and allegedly even sang in most of them) of the Macho group Hagibis but was just too proud of his hardcore Rockstar image to publicly admit it.   If you see him again, maybe you can influence him to compose a song dedicated to the Filipino Martial Arts - something which combines the aggressive beat of "Eye of the Tiger" of the Survivors, as well as the folksy lyrics of Sampaguita's "Laguna".... Maybe, he can also consider throwing a little bit of Hagibis to it - and then name the song "Hatawan".... =[:->]   --- On Wed, 12/3/08, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:45:15 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Mike Hanopol/Garimot Arnis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mike Hanopol, yes is Icon Rockista of Pinoy ROck back on the late 60's early 70's. He is a personal friend of mine, He practice Garimot Arnis with us a little time, when live here in Miami for 25 years, now he went back home to PI turn himself ordained Christian Preacher. He is going back an pfort to US and PI. Prior of he's "JUAN DE LA CRUZ BAND" no he is not a Arnis practitoner, till we meet here in Miami on 1989. Okay, he is the only Jeffrox of the Philippines, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest