Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:39:01 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #310 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. InsightTechGear (Ray) 2. Not again, part 329 (Marc Denny) 3. POT MONEY (Gordon Walker) 4. Re: POT MONEY (jay de leon) 5. maybe an alternative (Tarn Shadowhawk) 6. Re: maybe an alternative (jay de leon) 7. Re: maybe an alternative (Tyler Murphy) 8. What MA Means to Me (Kendal Coats) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:20:16 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] InsightTechGear Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fwiw, if you see something you like at http://www.InsightTechGear.com and use promo code FTS1108 you'll get 10% off on an order over $100 thru 12/31/08. Lights -n- stuff. I received the promo code since I'm a "partner in the firearms industry". Apparently good for me and "my students". Not sure if it is good on orders from outside the USA. Ray --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:53:34 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Not again, part 329 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Having nothing to do with me, I have passed on commenting on the ongoing conversation about challenges etc until this: "my art is the TRUE art of the filipino and the rest of you guys are nothing (or less authentic) -- which is something my brother dan inosantos people use to say and think" Please correct me if I am wrong, but this seems a reference to Inosanto people (e.g. me) using the term Kali. The syllogism seems to be that some people use Kali as being "the true Art" etc and Guro Inosanto and his people typically use the term Kali that therefore Inosanto people must have the same thought process as others who use the term. I think a moment's reflection will reveal this to be the non-sequitor that it is. I think if you go back to what was actually said by Guro Inosanto was that "Guro XYZ told me". In other words he was simply quoting one of his teachers without taking a position himself. Leaving it to others to speak for themselves, I submit the proposition that the Dog Brothers and Dog Brothers Martial Arts, have never identified the fighters or systems involved in our fights, nor talked smack about anyone. This should be no surprise-- it is what I have ALWAYS seen Guro Inosanto, with whom I now have some 26 years, represent in word and deed. I'm thinking this will be my last word in this conversation. The Adventure continues, Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:28:33 -0700 From: "Gordon Walker" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] POT MONEY Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, thirteen years after quitting and now I have to find 'pot' money again. I got twenty, too. gord --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] POT MONEY To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net did you mean what i think you meant? so you think the challenge fights will give you the same high as what your other pot money previously provided?   can you imagine if every arnisador "sacrificed" his pot money to throw into our fight pot? --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Gordon Walker wrote: From: Gordon Walker Subject: [Eskrima] POT MONEY To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:28 PM Hi, thirteen years after quitting and now I have to find 'pot' money again. I got twenty, too. gord _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] maybe an alternative Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gentlemen,     It just thrills my heart to see the same things going on in the Philipines that go on here in the U.S.-heck it even happens in Texas sadly-and that is the continued bashing of other martial artists. Now I myself study under a master who had a student that as a second degree black belt sent a tape of his katas to someone in Okinawa with $1200 dollars and received back from them a sixth degree black belt. Later, telling another high ranking black belt in his style that he was still training with my master he was promoted to seventh degree black belt. Now of course this later got him a book published and in a hall of fame and recognition from others but tell me this. What did he actually get from it? And who cares? Can anyone actually see true benefits from this kind of conduct even if it had made him a millionare, which it did not?  So why should anyone care what someone else does if they are making false claims? Now if they make false accusations about you to your face then you can prove yourself, but otherwise it is heresay no matter who is saying it. And what does anyone really know about anyone else unless they followed that person around for his entire career? Might we not have missed something during their lifespan? The point I am trying to make is this: it only matters, be it good or bad, if you think it matters. Cling to what you know is honorable and discard the rest.      Now here is something to think about-maybe an alternative. I have been pushing a tournament I am trying to host to a lot of you guys but I am going to give it another shot. Of course I am trying to make a little(very little) money from this. Mainly so I can do it again the following year. I am featuring weapons fighting with wooden replica weapons of all sorts. Weapons forms. Weapons sparring a self-defense with anyone you can get to practice with you. Cutting demonstrations. Being a bladesmith I am also teaching how to make your own blade right there at the tournament site, which is being held inside the grounds and during the Four Winds Renaissance Fair for your intertainment.       But the most important aspect of this tournament is called an intramural seminar, as in the schools of martial arts in which we are all members.This is where masters and instructors from many styles get to teach others and be taught by others in different styles. This is for adult black belts and masters boys and girls. There won't be any kids competing. Now if some of you would like to come show what you have in the interest of brotherhood in the martial arts this is a good chance to do so. And you only have to pay $80 to participate in every event and to attend the fair also. Yes that is right. YOU are paying to TEACH as well as compete and practice. And hopefully learn from others that you would otherwise never have had a chance to meet. I already have three masters from vastly different styles signed up for the seminar. I would love to here from some of you. What a chance this is for me to learn from others and make friends from all over. What a chance for some of you to lay aside differences and enlist in an honorable event. Adams Martial Arts is hosting this guys, not any organization anywhere. You don't even get to wear your membership patches on your uniform unless you are teaching. And you get to decide your own forum and how many you want to work with. Please see this as the oppertunity it is and come pay us a visit. You are welcome to recruit members for future seminars where you get paid also. The more the merrier. Hopefully some of you will be kind enough to give me pointers to improve the next tournament, as long as I don't have to wimp down the rules.       If you think that was long winded you should call me on the phone. To find out more about the event go to www.freewebs.com/battlefieldweaponstournament  for complete information. And my phone number is in there if you have the nerve and lots and lots of time. Charles Adams Adams Martial Arts Isshinryu karate Advincula's Combat Escrima Shadowhawk Blades --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] maybe an alternative To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I posted an inquiry in this forum addressed to you, asking about GM Advincula.  I never saw an answer.  Did you answer by any chance?   also, can you please tell us the names and background of the three masters already signed up for your event, so we can get an idea what kind of participation you are getting?   thank you.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com   --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Tarn Shadowhawk wrote: From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: [Eskrima] maybe an alternative To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:48 PM Gentlemen,     It just thrills my heart to see the same things going on in the Philipines that go on here in the U.S.-heck it even happens in Texas sadly-and that is the continued bashing of other martial artists. Now I myself study under a master who had a student that as a second degree black belt sent a tape of his katas to someone in Okinawa with $1200 dollars and received back from them a sixth degree black belt. Later, telling another high ranking black belt in his style that he was still training with my master he was promoted to seventh degree black belt. Now of course this later got him a book published and in a hall of fame and recognition from others but tell me this. What did he actually get from it? And who cares? Can anyone actually see true benefits from this kind of conduct even if it had made him a millionare, which it did not?  So why should anyone care what someone else does if they are making false claims? Now if they make false accusations about you to your face then you can prove yourself, but otherwise it is heresay no matter who is saying it. And what does anyone really know about anyone else unless they followed that person around for his entire career? Might we not have missed something during their lifespan? The point I am trying to make is this: it only matters, be it good or bad, if you think it matters. Cling to what you know is honorable and discard the rest.      Now here is something to think about-maybe an alternative. I have been pushing a tournament I am trying to host to a lot of you guys but I am going to give it another shot. Of course I am trying to make a little(very little) money from this. Mainly so I can do it again the following year. I am featuring weapons fighting with wooden replica weapons of all sorts. Weapons forms. Weapons sparring a self-defense with anyone you can get to practice with you. Cutting demonstrations. Being a bladesmith I am also teaching how to make your own blade right there at the tournament site, which is being held inside the grounds and during the Four Winds Renaissance Fair for your intertainment.       But the most important aspect of this tournament is called an intramural seminar, as in the schools of martial arts in which we are all members.This is where masters and instructors from many styles get to teach others and be taught by others in different styles. This is for adult black belts and masters boys and girls. There won't be any kids competing. Now if some of you would like to come show what you have in the interest of brotherhood in the martial arts this is a good chance to do so. And you only have to pay $80 to participate in every event and to attend the fair also. Yes that is right. YOU are paying to TEACH as well as compete and practice. And hopefully learn from others that you would otherwise never have had a chance to meet. I already have three masters from vastly different styles signed up for the seminar. I would love to here from some of you. What a chance this is for me to learn from others and make friends from all over. What a chance for some of you to lay aside differences and enlist in an honorable event. Adams Martial Arts is hosting this guys, not any organization anywhere. You don't even get to wear your membership patches on your uniform unless you are teaching. And you get to decide your own forum and how many you want to work with. Please see this as the oppertunity it is and come pay us a visit. You are welcome to recruit members for future seminars where you get paid also. The more the merrier. Hopefully some of you will be kind enough to give me pointers to improve the next tournament, as long as I don't have to wimp down the rules.       If you think that was long winded you should call me on the phone. To find out more about the event go to www.freewebs.com/battlefieldweaponstournament  for complete information. And my phone number is in there if you have the nerve and lots and lots of time. Charles Adams Adams Martial Arts Isshinryu karate Advincula's Combat Escrima Shadowhawk Blades _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:16:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] maybe an alternative To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Need an / on the end of his link to make it work. Tyler --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Tarn Shadowhawk wrote: > From: Tarn Shadowhawk > Subject: [Eskrima] maybe an alternative > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:48 PM > Gentlemen, >     It just thrills my heart to see the same things > going on in the Philipines > that go on here in the U.S.-heck it even happens in Texas > sadly-and that is > the continued bashing of other martial artists. Now I > myself study under a > master who had a student that as a second degree black belt > sent a tape of his > katas to someone in Okinawa with $1200 dollars and received > back from them a > sixth degree black belt. Later, telling another high > ranking black belt in his > style that he was still training with my master he was > promoted to seventh > degree black belt. Now of course this later got him a book > published and in a > hall of fame and recognition from others but tell me this. > What did he > actually get from it? And who cares? Can anyone actually > see true benefits > from this kind of conduct even if it had made him a > millionare, which it did > not?  So why should anyone care what someone else does if > they are making > false claims? Now if they make false accusations > about you to your face then you can prove yourself, but > otherwise it is > heresay no matter who is saying it. And what does anyone > really know about > anyone else unless they followed that person around for his > entire career? > Might we not have missed something during their lifespan? > The point I am > trying to make is this: it only matters, be it good or bad, > if you think it > matters. Cling to what you know is honorable and discard > the rest. >      Now here is something to think about-maybe an > alternative. I have been > pushing a tournament I am trying to host to a lot of you > guys but I am going > to give it another shot. Of course I am trying to make a > little(very little) > money from this. Mainly so I can do it again the following > year. I am > featuring weapons fighting with wooden replica weapons of > all sorts. Weapons > forms. Weapons sparring a self-defense with anyone you can > get to practice > with you. Cutting demonstrations. Being a bladesmith I am > also teaching how to > make your own blade right there at the tournament site, > which is being held > inside the grounds and during the Four Winds Renaissance > Fair for your > intertainment. >       But the most important aspect of this tournament > is called an intramural > seminar, as in the schools of martial arts in which we are > all members.This is > where masters and instructors from many styles get to teach > others and be > taught by others in different styles. This is for adult > black belts and > masters boys and girls. There won't be any kids > competing. Now if some of you > would like to come show what you have in the interest of > brotherhood in the > martial arts this is a good chance to do so. And you only > have to pay $80 to > participate in every event and to attend the fair also. Yes > that is right. YOU > are paying to TEACH as well as compete and practice. And > hopefully learn from > others that you would otherwise never have had a chance to > meet. I already > have three masters from vastly different styles signed up > for the seminar. I > would love to here from some of you. What a chance this is > for me to learn > from others and make friends from all > over. What a chance for some of you to lay aside > differences and enlist in an > honorable event. Adams Martial Arts is hosting this guys, > not any organization > anywhere. You don't even get to wear your membership > patches on your uniform > unless you are teaching. And you get to decide your own > forum and how many you > want to work with. Please see this as the oppertunity it is > and come pay us a > visit. You are welcome to recruit members for future > seminars where you get > paid also. The more the merrier. Hopefully some of you will > be kind enough to > give me pointers to improve the next tournament, as long as > I don't have to > wimp down the rules. >       If you think that was long winded you should > call me on the phone. To > find out more about the event go to > www.freewebs.com/battlefieldweaponstournament  for > complete information. And > my phone number is in there if you have the nerve and lots > and lots of time. > Charles Adams > Adams Martial Arts > Isshinryu karate > Advincula's Combat Escrima > Shadowhawk Blades > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kendal Coats To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] What MA Means to Me Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To me Martial Arts means self defense. I strapped on my first American Kenpo white belt in 1980 and started long journey. When I first began and for decades after, I thought martial arts was about fighting, because that is what we always saw, movies, tournaments etc. Defending yourself, your honor, your family with fighting. But I have come to realize that there is so much more to the word self defense. How can these men who are so deadly be so personable, so gentle, so kindhearted, so peaceful? Martial Arts has provided me the vehicle for the ultimate self defense, health defense. It has saved my life in combat, my marriage in balance, and my mind in silence. My art is very personal, it is mine, not yours. Yours may be similar but this one is mine. It is custom fitted to me, my body, my attributes. I, however, do not teach my art, I teach my teachers art. It is up to the student to find their own art within the framework of the teachers they are exposed to. The ultimate test is the one against yourself. There are two kinds of martial arts student. One who takes the word of his teacher as law and believes it unconditionally, and the second is the one who tests everything. One is not better than the other, only different. So if someone feels the need to test their art or themselves, then more power to them. As many of us have heard,"you can challenge." Ultimately, if you feel the need, go ahead and fight. Put your skills to the test, but at least take a minute to think about why you need to test your skills. Are you the second type of student? Do you test everything? Or is it out of ego and the need to be better than someone else. Do you need to be better than someone else or do you need to be better than you were...say yesterday. Those of us who practice different arts are not in competition, the old ways are just that...old. The earth has evolved and we must too. As they say "the proof is in the pudding", but I tell you its not. The proof is in the character of the artist. Test it, test it all, be a good student, never stop being a good student even when you are the Great Grand Poobah. The best teachers are not the best fighters, they are the best student. There is very little that is new in these arts, most of our insights are echos of those of the old Masters, other cultures, other arts. We are not traveling down new roads. So challenge if you wish. The bruises will heal, the bones will mend, and you will have your answers, but I would hope that you see that you had them all the time. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest