Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:22:01 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #315 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. WW-II Documentary (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. Re: higher level of martial arts (maurice gatdula) 3. Rec Specs sports eyeglasses (Kel620@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: higher level of martial arts (realitycombat) 5. old topic - training sticks (Andrew Maddox) 6. Re: Re: Research help. (Talibung Antike) 7. Re: old topic - training sticks (Ruel Apostol) 8. Re: Re: Research help. (Ruel Apostol) 9. Re: Re: higher level of martial arts (Daniel Arola) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:18:10 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] WW-II Documentary Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sam, I can help you with a little information, since my Mother in Law is pretty much live during the War. I also have a copy of the book of PAETE, have a big parts of story about WW-II name, A story of the Philippine Guirilla General Juan Cailles of Sta Cruz, Colonel Fidel Sario of Paete, and My Uncle just passed away just few years back is Supply Officer of the HUKBALAHAP under the name "Kumander Sabo", he also serves as one of the "Luis Taruc", during the war nobody know who is Luis Taruc untill Liberation, if you are interested I can help a little on this project of yours. One of my Instructor the Doce Pares Arnis Grandmaster of Laguna is still alive 90 years old GM Perdo Balahadia, he serves a Major in ROTC Hunters. If you decide to visit him, make it quick, plus more I can point you to the right people to talk to, call me if you need help, I have the copy of the book here in my home, talk to you later, Guro, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net   first regarding the article by paul vunak, he was just one of many jkd/kali people saying the same thing. most of the articles with inosanto in them are written by his people, and the source i have to say is him. i believe that he IS repeating what his teachers taught him, but i dont think vunak, richardson, etc. made up the dumug/kinomutai/kali/12 weapons, ranges, whatever. okay, so some of you guys think i talk about him too much, but you missed the point i said many times that i admired him and still looked up to him as a hero when i was younger. but i still have a right to disagree, and i still have a right to say it. what i am not doing is insulting him, or calling him a nobody or insulting his skill.   but you know, the martial artist like i said is to have thick skin, no problem with the comments guys...   anyway this is what i said about the higher level of martial arts:   "but they help you root stronger in the ground you are standing, on which is the higher level of the martial arts... not where people switch sides, but where they become so strong at what they do, the weaknesses in your style are no longer weakness."   the higher level of the martial arts, according to another childhood hero of mine, bruce lee, is self expression. i disagree. i say it is APPLICATION. to use your art in places where is use to have a disadvantage, in a way that you are not the weaker one any more. to some people this means, take punching from a boxer, take kicks from muay thai, take grappling from aikido... this is not development, this is technique collecting. because the truth is, did your arnis get better because of all those arts? no, you just added average skill in muay thai, average skill in boxing, etc. most technique collectors are good only at demonstrating the arts they "cross train" in, they cant box a boxer, or kick against a muay thai guy. so the higher level if you are an arnisador is to use your arnis against a boxer a muay thai etc.   so what if i drop my stick? well, if you are a bjj what if your arm gets cut off? there is a such thing as meeting the superior fighter. you wont prepare for him by learning a little of what he is an expert in.   btw, the taejukenbo, from what i rememeber, the founder is a filipino, and a GI was the top student who taught at the base. i use to spar every week with some of the guys from that club and they can fight.   back to the history thing, FMA is not the only style out here with disagreements and fued. talking about it or argument is not going to kill the style, its not going to stop anybodys school from growing, and doesnt mean that the people who do it dont train. but the discussion does tell you a lot about what's inside the people who have the discussion, and how fast feelings get hurt.   --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:51:57 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Rec Specs sports eyeglasses Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Might be of interest to those that wear glasses... _http://www.framesdirect.com/framesfp/Rec_Specs-laobkb/r.html_ (http://www.framesdirect.com/framesfp/Rec_Specs-laobkb/r.html) **************Stay in touch with ALL of your friends: update your AIM, Bebo, Facebook, and MySpace pages with just one click. The NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000012) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:25:23 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: realitycombat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Whatever you say about Vunak, Richardson, Inosanto--- You have to admit that it works oon the street. I know first hand, I have use vunak's teaching in life or death situation and they work. Believe when I say it works. And isn't that what really what counts? Sifu/Guro J Hosch -----Original Message----- >From: maurice gatdula >Sent: Dec 7, 2008 7:25 PM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts > >  >first regarding the article by paul vunak, he was just one of many jkd/kali >people saying the same thing. most of the articles with inosanto in them are >written by his people, and the source i have to say is him. i believe that he >IS repeating what his teachers taught him, but i dont think vunak, richardson, >etc. made up the dumug/kinomutai/kali/12 weapons, ranges, whatever. okay, so >some of you guys think i talk about him too much, but you missed the point i >said many times that i admired him and still looked up to him as a hero when i >was younger. but i still have a right to disagree, and i still have a right to >say it. what i am not doing is insulting him, or calling him a nobody or >insulting his skill. >  >but you know, the martial artist like i said is to have thick skin, no problem >with the comments guys... >  >anyway this is what i said about the higher level of martial arts:   "but they >help you root stronger in the ground you are standing, on which is the higher >level of the martial arts... not where people switch sides, but where they >become so strong at what they do, the weaknesses in your style are no longer >weakness." >  >the higher level of the martial arts, according to another childhood hero of >mine, bruce lee, is self expression. i disagree. i say it is APPLICATION. to >use your art in places where is use to have a disadvantage, in a way that you >are not the weaker one any more. to some people this means, take punching from >a boxer, take kicks from muay thai, take grappling from aikido... this is not >development, this is technique collecting. because the truth is, did your >arnis get better because of all those arts? no, you just added average skill >in muay thai, average skill in boxing, etc. most technique collectors are good >only at demonstrating the arts they "cross train" in, they cant box a boxer, >or kick against a muay thai guy. so the higher level if you are an arnisador >is to use your arnis against a boxer a muay thai etc. >  >so what if i drop my stick? well, if you are a bjj what if your arm gets cut >off? there is a such thing as meeting the superior fighter. you wont prepare >for him by learning a little of what he is an expert in. >  >btw, the taejukenbo, from what i rememeber, the founder is a filipino, and a >GI was the top student who taught at the base. i use to spar every week with >some of the guys from that club and they can fight. >  >back to the history thing, FMA is not the only style out here with >disagreements and fued. talking about it or argument is not going to kill the >style, its not going to stop anybodys school from growing, and doesnt mean >that the people who do it dont train. but the discussion does tell you a lot >about what's inside the people who have the discussion, and how fast feelings >get hurt. > > >  >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So, I'm looking around again for some padded sticks to work on drills with a couple of guys I've started training with. I have a couple of really good old ones, rattan core with high density foam and a custom sailcloth cover, but 1) I don't even remember who made them and 2) I need more. What do people use when they want something lower-impact than rattan for low- to no-gear practice and sparring? Suggestions, sources, links? I don't want to spend 20-30 dollars per stick, but nothing inexpensive I can find currently is anything more than PVC tubing with foam on it. Don't want that, I've been cut by cracked PVC before, and it SUCKED. I'm sure this is in the archives, but the suppliers and materials are probably all different now... Thanks in advance! andrew, that guy -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: Talibung Antike Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Sam, Yeah, Jay is right... better hurry up before its too late, (2008 less 1940s less adult age> 20 yrs thats approx 88 years) because the living WW2 veteran fighters must be late octogenarians by this time. One low profile Veteran Eskrimador you must see is Great Grand Old Man- GGM JESUS PALLORINA of WEDO- a centenarian from Sibalom, Antique who together with family and friends -"kasimario" migrated to Negros before WW2. He's a Bolo Battalion Veteran and one of the low profile Eskrimador from Antique who am sure has so much to tell including his historic match with the star studded FMA GGM Benjamin Lema of Mambusao, Capiz if you can let him come out of his shell. Currently, he's under the care of my "kasimanwa" GM Frank Sobrino also from Antique (his door keeper/ inheritor of WEDO). Just let me know if you're interested to meet him. Cheers, Talibung Antike jay de leon wrote: you may be right about the documentary. � i just want to point something out.� the link shows the current phil. scout rangers.� the unit that fought in WWII were Philippine Scouts, commanded mostly by American officers, and disbanded after the war.� � My maternal grandfather was a professional Philippine Scout, Sgt. Fabian Pallorina.� He was an artillery officer in the battle of Bataan (he became deaf in one ear), and survived the Death March and imprisonment and torture at Capas, Tarlac. � jay de leon (middle name pallorina) www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com � --- On Sun, 12/7/08, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:56 PM there is a documentary, i cant recall it name. Guro Inosanto showed it and kept pointing out uncles of his. Im sure GM Tony Somera can help. http://www.bahalanamartialarts.com/ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aGEpcftg4og/philippine_army_scout_ranger/l.n et> wrote: -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk http://patsfightagainsttcancer.blogspot.com/ Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i can only think of www.smakstiks.com ________________________________ From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:55:48 PM Subject: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks So, I'm looking around again for some padded sticks to work on drills with a couple of guys I've started training with. I have a couple of really good old ones, rattan core with high density foam and a custom sailcloth cover, but 1) I don't even remember who made them and 2) I need more. What do people use when they want something lower-impact than rattan for low- to no-gear practice and sparring? Suggestions, sources, links? I don't want to spend 20-30 dollars per stick, but nothing inexpensive I can find currently is anything more than PVC tubing with foam on it. Don't want that, I've been cut by cracked PVC before, and it SUCKED. I'm sure this is in the archives, but the suppliers and materials are probably all different now... Thanks in advance! andrew, that guy -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I heard about claims that there was a historic match between GM Jesus Pallorina and GM Benjamin Lema... but they say that this did not happen. Chismis lang yan. ________________________________ From: Talibung Antike To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 10:30:26 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. Hi Sam, Yeah, Jay is right... better hurry up before its too late, (2008 less 1940s less adult age> 20 yrs thats approx 88 years) because the living WW2 veteran fighters must be late octogenarians by this time. One low profile Veteran Eskrimador you must see is Great Grand Old Man- GGM JESUS PALLORINA of WEDO- a centenarian from Sibalom, Antique who together with family and friends -"kasimario" migrated to Negros before WW2. He's a Bolo Battalion Veteran and one of the low profile Eskrimador from Antique who am sure has so much to tell including his historic match with the star studded FMA GGM Benjamin Lema of Mambusao, Capiz if you can let him come out of his shell. Currently, he's under the care of my "kasimanwa" GM Frank Sobrino also from Antique (his door keeper/ inheritor of WEDO). Just let me know if you're interested to meet him. Cheers, Talibung Antike jay de leon wrote: you may be right about the documentary. � i just want to point something out.� the link shows the current phil. scout rangers.� the unit that fought in WWII were Philippine Scouts, commanded mostly by American officers, and disbanded after the war.� � My maternal grandfather was a professional Philippine Scout, Sgt. Fabian Pallorina.� He was an artillery officer in the battle of Bataan (he became deaf in one ear), and survived the Death March and imprisonment and torture at Capas, Tarlac. � jay de leon (middle name pallorina) www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com � --- On Sun, 12/7/08, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:56 PM there is a documentary, i cant recall it name. Guro Inosanto showed it and kept pointing out uncles of his. Im sure GM Tony Somera can help. http://www.bahalanamartialarts.com/ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aGEpcftg4og/philippine_army_scout_ranger/l.n et> wrote: -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk http://patsfightagainsttcancer.blogspot.com/ Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:45:36 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I used to have the 1st set of Vunak's tapes from Panther Productions from way back in the day. They're still very useful for reference even to this day. I do recall seeing Guro Crafty Marc Denny featured in some of the Paul Vunak tapes. They're good stuff. I really dig it. -Daniel DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas   --- On Sun, 12/7/08, realitycombat wrote: From: realitycombat Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 10:25 PM Whatever you say about Vunak, Richardson, Inosanto--- You have to admit that it works oon the street. I know first hand, I have use vunak's teaching in life or death situation and they work. Believe when I say it works. And isn't that what really what counts? Sifu/Guro J Hosch -----Original Message----- >From: maurice gatdula >Sent: Dec 7, 2008 7:25 PM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts > >  >first regarding the article by paul vunak, he was just one of many jkd/kali >people saying the same thing. most of the articles with inosanto in them are >written by his people, and the source i have to say is him. i believe that he >IS repeating what his teachers taught him, but i dont think vunak, richardson, >etc. made up the dumug/kinomutai/kali/12 weapons, ranges, whatever. okay, so >some of you guys think i talk about him too much, but you missed the point i >said many times that i admired him and still looked up to him as a hero when i >was younger. but i still have a right to disagree, and i still have a right to >say it. what i am not doing is insulting him, or calling him a nobody or >insulting his skill. >  >but you know, the martial artist like i said is to have thick skin, no problem >with the comments guys... >  >anyway this is what i said about the higher level of martial arts:   "but they >help you root stronger in the ground you are standing, on which is the higher >level of the martial arts... not where people switch sides, but where they >become so strong at what they do, the weaknesses in your style are no longer >weakness." >  >the higher level of the martial arts, according to another childhood hero of >mine, bruce lee, is self expression. i disagree. i say it is APPLICATION. to >use your art in places where is use to have a disadvantage, in a way that you >are not the weaker one any more. to some people this means, take punching from >a boxer, take kicks from muay thai, take grappling from aikido... this is not >development, this is technique collecting. because the truth is, did your >arnis get better because of all those arts? no, you just added average skill >in muay thai, average skill in boxing, etc. most technique collectors are good >only at demonstrating the arts they "cross train" in, they cant box a boxer, >or kick against a muay thai guy. so the higher level if you are an arnisador >is to use your arnis against a boxer a muay thai etc. >  >so what if i drop my stick? well, if you are a bjj what if your arm gets cut >off? there is a such thing as meeting the superior fighter. you wont prepare >for him by learning a little of what he is an expert in. >  >btw, the taejukenbo, from what i rememeber, the founder is a filipino, and a >GI was the top student who taught at the base. i use to spar every week with >some of the guys from that club and they can fight. >  >back to the history thing, FMA is not the only style out here with >disagreements and fued. talking about it or argument is not going to kill the >style, its not going to stop anybodys school from growing, and doesnt mean >that the people who do it dont train. but the discussion does tell you a lot >about what's inside the people who have the discussion, and how fast feelings >get hurt. > > >  >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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