Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:11:06 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #316 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] (Daniel Arola) 2. Re: Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] (Ruel Apostol) 3. Re: higher source of martial arts (Kali Kapatid - J Montes) 4. old topic - training sticks (Balintawak Arnis) 5. Re: higher level of martial arts (Balintawak Arnis) 6. BJJ for FMA and other martial arts (Stephan Kesting) 7. Sparing weapons (Mr Elrik Jundis) 8. response to research help (Zach Whitson) 9. New Year seminar with Frans Stroeven (Ollie Batts) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I came across this clip years ago via FMA'ers I chat with now and then. I uploaded it to my MySpace videos page... http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=728672 I can DIG IT! -Daniel DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas   --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Talibung Antike wrote: From: Talibung Antike Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:30 AM Hi Sam, Yeah, Jay is right... better hurry up before its too late, (2008 less 1940s less adult age> 20 yrs thats approx 88 years) because the living WW2 veteran fighters must be late octogenarians by this time. One low profile Veteran Eskrimador you must see is Great Grand Old Man- GGM JESUS PALLORINA of WEDO- a centenarian from Sibalom, Antique who together with family and friends -"kasimario" migrated to Negros before WW2. He's a Bolo Battalion Veteran and one of the low profile Eskrimador from Antique who am sure has so much to tell including his historic match with the star studded FMA GGM Benjamin Lema of Mambusao, Capiz if you can let him come out of his shell. Currently, he's under the care of my "kasimanwa" GM Frank Sobrino also from Antique (his door keeper/ inheritor of WEDO). Just let me know if you're interested to meet him. Cheers, Talibung Antike jay de leon wrote: you may be right about the documentary. � i just want to point something out.� the link shows the current phil. scout rangers.� the unit that fought in WWII were Philippine Scouts, commanded mostly by American officers, and disbanded after the war.� � My maternal grandfather was a professional Philippine Scout, Sgt. Fabian Pallorina.� He was an artillery officer in the battle of Bataan (he became deaf in one ear), and survived the Death March and imprisonment and torture at Capas, Tarlac. � jay de leon (middle name pallorina) www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com � --- On Sun, 12/7/08, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:56 PM there is a documentary, i cant recall it name. Guro Inosanto showed it and kept pointing out uncles of his. Im sure GM Tony Somera can help. http://www.bahalanamartialarts.com/ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aGEpcftg4og/philippine_army_scout_ranger/l.n et> wrote: -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk http://patsfightagainsttcancer.blogspot.com/ Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nice video! That was taken in one of the FMA gathering picnics (that used to be hosted by our group, Academia LSAI or Sunday School) featuring GM Pallorina's WEDO. The video was taken by Matawguro of www.fmaforum.org. In fact, I was in that particular gathering picnic and I was in awe watching GM Pallorina move and his story telling of his counter japanese occupation guerilla days. He showed us what remained of his fingers that he lost during his encounters with the sword welding japanese soldiers. However, I have to repeat... the so-said historic match with the star studded FMA GM Benjamin Lema of LSAI just didn't happen. ________________________________ From: Daniel Arola To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 2:49:36 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] I came across this clip years ago via FMA'ers I chat with now and then. I uploaded it to my MySpace videos page... http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=728672 I can DIG IT! -Daniel DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Talibung Antike wrote: From: Talibung Antike Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 10:30 AM Hi Sam, Yeah, Jay is right... better hurry up before its too late, (2008 less 1940s less adult age> 20 yrs thats approx 88 years) because the living WW2 veteran fighters must be late octogenarians by this time. One low profile Veteran Eskrimador you must see is Great Grand Old Man- GGM JESUS PALLORINA of WEDO- a centenarian from Sibalom, Antique who together with family and friends -"kasimario" migrated to Negros before WW2. He's a Bolo Battalion Veteran and one of the low profile Eskrimador from Antique who am sure has so much to tell including his historic match with the star studded FMA GGM Benjamin Lema of Mambusao, Capiz if you can let him come out of his shell. Currently, he's under the care of my "kasimanwa" GM Frank Sobrino also from Antique (his door keeper/ inheritor of WEDO). Just let me know if you're interested to meet him. Cheers, Talibung Antike jay de leon wrote: you may be right about the documentary. � i just want to point something out.� the link shows the current phil. scout rangers.� the unit that fought in WWII were Philippine Scouts, commanded mostly by American officers, and disbanded after the war.� � My maternal grandfather was a professional Philippine Scout, Sgt. Fabian Pallorina.� He was an artillery officer in the battle of Bataan (he became deaf in one ear), and survived the Death March and imprisonment and torture at Capas, Tarlac. � jay de leon (middle name pallorina) www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com � --- On Sun, 12/7/08, iPat wrote: From: iPat Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:56 PM there is a documentary, i cant recall it name. Guro Inosanto showed it and kept pointing out uncles of his. Im sure GM Tony Somera can help. http://www.bahalanamartialarts.com/ http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-aGEpcftg4og/philippine_army_scout_ranger/l.n et> wrote: -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk http://patsfightagainsttcancer.blogspot.com/ Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2600 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: Kali Kapatid - J Montes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher source of martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Maurice you make your point well, I will make serious attempts to have thick skin :) thanks for your good point. I enjoy reading and rarely do I ever come out to post like I did when I first began my training 5 years ago. Actually I'll skim over the topics until I see something pop up that interests me, such as Carabao wrestling. Haha I guess sometimes I piece things together quickly as I am now because I am at work. All in all, I love learning from everyone's perspective, and am quite amiable until I am unduly pissed off hehe. Anyone who is dedicated to their art for a lifetime and is willing to defend it (think Pacquiao!) merits my respect. I have a pic on my desktop of Pacquiao smiling as he's bashing De La Hoya in the face. Have a great week all, ~John --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Balintawak Arnis" To: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:17:31 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'll add another recommendation for Smak-Stiks (http://www.smakstiks.com/). I have a custom set made to my specifications and think they're great. From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So, I'm looking around again for some padded sticks to work on drills with a couple of guys I've started training with. I have a couple of really good old ones, rattan core with high density foam and a custom sailcloth cover, but 1) I don't even remember who made them and 2) I need more. What do people use when they want something lower-impact than rattan for low- to no-gear practice and sparring? Suggestions, sources, links? I don't want to spend 20-30 dollars per stick, but nothing inexpensive I can find currently is anything more than PVC tubing with foam on it. Don't want that, I've been cut by cracked PVC before, and it SUCKED. I'm sure this is in the archives, but the suppliers and materials are probably all different now... Thanks in advance! andrew, that guy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Balintawak Arnis" To: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:23:26 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Maurice: Although we've disagreed on other things, I definitely agree with you here. I'm adopting your term "technique collector". Robert Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: higher level of martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net anyway this is what i said about the higher level of martial arts: "but they help you root stronger in the ground you are standing, on which is the higher level of the martial arts... not where people switch sides, but where they become so strong at what they do, the weaknesses in your style are no longer weakness." the higher level of the martial arts, according to another childhood hero of mine, bruce lee, is self expression. i disagree. i say it is APPLICATION. to use your art in places where is use to have a disadvantage, in a way that you are not the weaker one any more. to some people this means, take punching from a boxer, take kicks from muay thai, take grappling from aikido... this is not development, this is technique collecting. because the truth is, did your arnis get better because of all those arts? no, you just added average skill in muay thai, average skill in boxing, etc. most technique collectors are good only at demonstrating the arts they "cross train" in, they cant box a boxer, or kick against a muay thai guy. so the higher level if you are an arnisador is to use your arnis against a boxer a muay thai etc. so what if i drop my stick? well, if you are a bjj what if your arm gets cut off? there is a such thing as meeting the superior fighter. you wont prepare for him by learning a little of what he is an expert in. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:24:26 -0500 From: Stephan Kesting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] BJJ for FMA and other martial arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi there It's been a while since I posted on the Eskrima Digest, but I think I might have a contribution for the readers of this list. I've recently released a free eBook ("A Roadmap for Brazilian Jiu-jitsu"), as well as the Beginning BJJ eCourse Why am I announcing that here? How does this material have any relevance to FMA? Well I just finished teaching a seminar series on introductory BJJ at an FMA school (maelstromcore.com). Attendees included 'traditional' FMArtists, Dog Brothers, JKD instructors and a Police Officer, and they all seemed to really enjoy the material I was teaching and how it was organized. The organization of these seminars was based, in large part, on the Roadmap for BJJ book So if you're interested in learning a little bit more about groundfighting, and how it applies to (and integrates with) FMA and self defense then please check out ==> www.beginningBJJ.com Thank you Stephan Kesting --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mr Elrik Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Sparing weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Andrew, for less than $20 you would be hard press to make those yourself. Believe me as I have made various types of homemade sparing equipment. In the archives are also discussions on how we have made them and the relative benefits of different materials. For a premade weapon and with shipping I wouldn't buy anything under $40. Of course since I live here in the Philippines I can get certain padded weapons for about $10. Sure you can get it cheaper (less than half actually) but I want to support the quality manufactures. That said shipping it from here cost an arm and a leg, So I would go with the following three manufactures. For FMA practitioners, I think the sticks that most appreciate are made by https://www.secure.smakstiks.com/smak_shop.php The makers are FMA practitioners and they are the best stick in my mind if you really want to go san gear with out the risk of going to the emergency room. You can still give nasty bruises and friction burns though and you need something to protect the eyes and groin. The safest sparing sticks that I like to use are made by http://www.actionflex.com/escrima.html Almost universally the FMA practioners who use them though find them to be too soft and flimsy. Here is clip of the Italian Chanbara team training with weapons that meet the same specifications. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTqzksvYbQ I think this would be interesting to anyone doing weapons point sparing as they are the current international champs. What is currently top of the line here in the Philippines is made by http://www.hatawsticks.com/hatawsticks.html These are the rattan core padded sparing weapons that are common here - while I might like to occasionally spare with these with minimal hand protection (leather gardening gloves to protect against friction of when punching a fencing mask) you can still break the smaller bones in a persons hand with these if you have the skill and the opportunity. Message: 5 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:55:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So, I'm looking around again for some padded sticks to work on drills with a couple of guys I've started training with. I have a couple of really good old ones, rattan core with high density foam and a custom sailcloth cover, but 1) I don't even remember who made them and 2) I need more. What do people use when they want something lower-impact than rattan for low- to no-gear practice and sparring? Suggestions, sources, links? I don't want to spend 20-30 dollars per stick, but nothing inexpensive I can find currently is anything more than PVC tubing with foam on it. Don't want that, I've been cut by cracked PVC before, and it SUCKED. I'm sure this is in the archives, but the suppliers and materials are probably all different now... Thanks in advance! andrew, that guy -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/ph/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Zach Whitson" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:10:34 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] response to research help Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sam, G.M. Cacoy of Doce Pares joined the guerrilla movement during WWII to fight the Japanese in and around Cebu. Manong Cacoy's memory is amazing as he remembers names, dates and places better than anyone I have ever met. He can give you many details about living in the mountains of Cebu and fighting and surviving the raids that the Japanese would do regularly on their camps. Manong Cacoy was also given citizenship to the United States for his participation in the war. He will back in the states this coming summer 2009. You could probably meet him at a seminar somewhere to interview him, I have no doubt that he would enjoy speaking with you and be a great source for your project. Please contact me if you are interested, I will help any way I can. Thanks, Zach Whitson zwhitson@bellsouth.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ollie Batts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:18:10 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] New Year seminar with Frans Stroeven Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Dear Filipino Martial Arts Aficionados, We are very pleased to announce that we will be hosting a weekend seminar with Frans Stroeven's (his very first in the UK) on Saturday 18th and Sunday 19th April 2009. For those of you who don't know who he is, we would like to draw your attention to the following YouTube video of him: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOvJvPfqWlYk If you enjoyed that, and would like to see more, go to the following page and take your pick from the many more that are available: http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=frans+stroeven+new&search_type=&aq=0&oq=Frans+Stroeven So if you enjoyed the videos, and would like to see and train with Frans in real life, you'll have a chance to do so very soon. Whilst the seminar is still four months away, we urge you to make a note in your diary, your calendar and your cell phone, so that you don't miss out on, what we are sure will prove to be, an exciting and thrilling experience. Please email me for further information. Sincere best wishes for the Season to you all, and for the New Year, Ollie Batts Director & Senior Instructor Cambridge Academy of Martial Arts --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest