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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Sundry comments (Marc Denny) 2. RE: Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] (Danny Anderson) 3. (no subject) (jo moran) 4. padded weapons (Aleks Nowicki) 5. Re: old topic - training sticks (Jon Broster) 6. Re: padded weapons (Andrew Maddox) 7. Re: (no subject) (Andrew Maddox) 8. Thank you for WW2 Research Help. (Sam D) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:55:03 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Sundry comments Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: maurice gatdula > > > first regarding the article by paul vunak, he was just one of many > jkd/kali > people saying the same thing. most of the articles with inosanto in them > are > written by his people, and the source i have to say is him. i believe that > he > IS repeating what his teachers taught him, but i dont think vunak, > richardson, > etc. made up the dumug/kinomutai/kali/12 weapons, ranges, whatever. okay, > so > some of you guys think i talk about him too much, but you missed the point > i > said many times that i admired him and still looked up to him as a hero > when i > was younger. but i still have a right to disagree, and i still have a > right to > say it. what i am not doing is insulting him, or calling him a nobody or > insulting his skill. Of course you have the right to disagree-- and you will hear about it when you are inaccurate. For the purpose of this conversation, giving the courtesy of assuming your description of a Vunak article from many years ago is accurate, I really doubt you could find any others by Inosanto students (Burt Richardson, me, or anyone else) saying the same thing. And what does "dumug/kinomutai/kali/12 weapons, ranges," have to do with your original point? > the higher level of the martial arts, according to another childhood hero > of > mine, bruce lee, is self expression. i disagree. i say it is APPLICATION. > to > use your art in places where is use to have a disadvantage, in a way that > you > are not the weaker one any more. to some people this means, take punching > from > a boxer, take kicks from muay thai, take grappling from aikido... this is > not > development, this is technique collecting. because the truth is, did your > arnis get better because of all those arts? no, you just added average > skill > in muay thai, average skill in boxing, etc. most technique collectors are > good > only at demonstrating the arts they "cross train" in, they cant box a > boxer, > or kick against a muay thai guy. so the higher level if you are an > arnisador > is to use your arnis against a boxer a muay thai etc. > > so what if i drop my stick? well, if you are a bjj what if your arm gets > cut > off? there is a such thing as meeting the superior fighter. you wont > prepare > for him by learning a little of what he is an expert in. Well, here we turn to a much more agreeable subject-- a discussion of martial theory. If I understand correctly what you are saying here, I disagree and here is why: For me the idea is not to beat someone at what they are good at, the idea is to beat them at what they are NOT good at! :-) Playing by the rules against a real boxer, I am a goner. OTOH in friendly play I have engaged with a pro boxer and gotten the better of it. As a young blue belt in a vigorous training exercise back in 1992 (i.e. before the UFC) in a lesson designed to teach us how grappling was better than striking, while assigned to be the striker I inadvertently dropped a brown belt seeking to close on me. Another brown belt, one who like me had also trained in Inosanto Blend, recognized how I had set up the shot and then easily closed on me. Currently, I use "Kali Tudo" (our "Kali Tudo-2" DVD is coming out in a few weeks BTW) in friendly MMA sparring and find it quite useful. > back to the history thing, FMA is not the only style out here with > disagreements and fued. talking about it or argument is not going to kill > the > style, its not going to stop anybodys school from growing, and doesnt mean > that the people who do it dont train. but the discussion does tell you a > lot > about what's inside the people who have the discussion, and how fast > feelings > get hurt. Forgive me, but I think you misunderstand. My feelings are not hurt in the slightest and I doubt the feelings of any of those who responded to you were hurt. It is much simpler than that. You said something which IMO was inaccurate about my/our teacher and so others and I put the record straight. > From: realitycombat > > Whatever you say about Vunak, Richardson, Inosanto--- You have to admit > that > it works oon the street. I know first hand, I have use vunak's teaching in > life or death situation and they work. Believe when I say it works. And > isn't > that what really what counts? > Sifu/Guro > J Hosch While I have managed to avoid life and death situations, my experience in the Dog Brothers context has been that Inosanto Blend works REALLY well. > From: Andrew Maddox > > So, I'm looking around again for some padded sticks to work on drills with > a couple of guys I've started training with. I have a couple of really > good old ones, rattan core with high density foam and a custom sailcloth > cover, but 1) I don't even remember who made them and 2) I need more. > > What do people use when they want something lower-impact than rattan for > low- to no-gear practice and sparring? Suggestions, sources, links? I > don't want to spend 20-30 dollars per stick, but nothing inexpensive I can > find currently is anything more than PVC tubing with foam on it. > > Don't want that, I've been cut by cracked PVC before, and it SUCKED. > > I'm sure this is in the archives, but the suppliers and materials are > probably all different now... > > Thanks in advance! > andrew, that guy Well, please forgive the advertisement, but the ones we sell http://dogbrothers.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=78&osCsid=b08138f6a41fb7e012eb0edc9ccb359e are outside of your price range, but they are really good. I've had a lot of people think they we too expensive, then experience them in training with me and then buy them. > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Research help. Forgive me but I'm not sure who made the request originally for research help. Certainly GM Tony Somera would be a wonderful source of information. You may also find of value a 28 minute section on his teacher, GM Leo Giron's experiences in our DVD "The Grandfathers Speak". It is a fine piece of work by my editor Ron Gabriel. http://dogbrothers.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=93 As for the name of the documentary that Guro Inosanto was talking about referenced by Pat, the name slips my mind at the moment too, but I have emailed Ron and will report back when I do have the name. From: Daniel Arola houstonkaligroup@yahoo.com > > I used to have the 1st set of Vunak's tapes from Panther Productions from > way > back in the day. They're still very useful for reference even to this day. > I > do recall seeing Guro Crafty Marc Denny featured in some of the Paul Vunak > tapes. They're good stuff. I really dig it. > > -Daniel Goodness, its been some , , , 22 years! "Featured" certainly overstates it. While I wince at my own early efforts therein (which were far exceeded by several of the other students appearing) I thought Paul's performance in them to be outstanding. I also thought the editing in them (done by Paul and me) to be a step well ahead of what was being done at the time. Trivia: To the best of my knowledge, the bit cutting a leg of meat to show the destructive capabilities of a knife was the first time this was done in instructional video and was my idea. The leg used was pork IIRC. And since Maurice mentioned Kino Mutai, I'll take the opportunity to say that I saw Paul's KM DVD and thought it quite good. The Adventure continues, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Danny Anderson To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:47:00 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Re: Research help.[GM Pallorina clip] Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nice clip. I love the simplicity and directness of his actions. His prepatory position is "spring loaded" and ready to go. A lot of FMA students should watch this clip. Yours, Dan Anderson _________________________________________________________________ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: jo moran To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net madsox2k you said you didn't want to pay $20-30 a stick. go on line, and buy rattan wholesale in 6-7 foot lengths. cut it to your size and finish it to your liking. i did this years ago. as largo-size sticks weren't easy to find. still have a bunch left.  joe --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Nowicki To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] padded weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lameco Escrima makes a good durable padded rattan stick for fifteen bucks. Cordura covered. I reccomend light protective gear and a facemask if you are a power hitter, they can leave a mark! http://www.lamecoeskrima.com/weapon.asp I was told that profits from these benefit the Sulite family. Aleks Nowicki --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:06:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Broster Subject: Re: [Eskrima] old topic - training sticks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I've been using these recently: http://www.hatawsticks.com/ They are excellent. I especially like the bicycle style grip that they have. Lifetime guarantee too. Jon Specialist treatment for muscular problems & sporting injuries. http://www.notts-tuina.co.uk --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:13:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] padded weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Aleks Nowicki wrote: > Lameco Escrima makes a good durable padded rattan stick for fifteen bucks. Cordura covered. I reccomend light protective gear and a facemask if you are a power hitter, they can leave a mark! > http://www.lamecoeskrima.com/weapon.asp > I was told that profits from these benefit the Sulite family. And THAT is the answer I'd forgotten. Tahnk you, Aleks (and Dennis, who also replied with the same). The sticks I have now are more like the type the Dog Bros sell, but rattan-cored, while the sets we used to have from PG Edgar (RIP) are padded the whole way down. Makes keeping a grip a bit of a challenge sometimes, but they did hold up. Wow, it's been more than 10 years since we lost him. One of the few teachers I had who made me want to learn his system enough to teach it, and if I'd asked him a couple of years earlier, who knows? Still miss him, I do. So for all of you out there with good instructors, don't be shy - ask for as much as you can learn, if you can represent them well they'll give you more. Damn, I'm getting maudlin again. Time to stop, and go order me some Lameco sparring trainers! Thanks, all... -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:17:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, jo moran wrote: > you said you didn't want to pay $20-30 a stick. > go on line, and buy > rattan wholesale in 6-7 foot lengths. cut it to your size and finish it to > your liking. i did this years ago. as largo-size sticks weren't easy to find. > still have a bunch left. >  joe Joe - yah, for making lots of training sticks that's a good way to go, but making durable padded weapons is beyond my sewing skills. For regular rattan, I usually get mine from KIL, I especially like the 10-pack of "ugly sticks", it's great for beaters. DBMA sell some really nice finished sticks, too, for good prices, I like supporting the Dog Clan. Anyway, back to work... andrew, that guy again -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sam D To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Thank you for WW2 Research Help. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net   I would like to thank you all for your input concerning my WW2 project.  The last couple of days I was able to do a little internet research--documentary styles, costs, grants, etc.  I also spoke with some co-workers here at WJCT who are also interested in assisting me.   I understand that time is not on my side because it happened so long ago but will follow up with your leads.   GP Abon, Long time no see.  Hope all is well with you and the family.  I will try to call and/or email you in the next few days.  Your interest in helping is greatly appreciated.  It's also great that you're only a few hours away!!    Thanks again, Sam --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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