Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #6 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: UFC (alan stewart) 2. Re: UFC (jay de leon) 3. Re: UFC (Felipe Jocano) 4. Re: UFC (iPat) 5. Re: UFC (Ruel Apostol) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) From: alan stewart Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I'm kind of surprised that there's not too many FM artists fighting in Submission ( NHB ) matches.  Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think so.  I've seen some Inosanto Kali people, who looked to me like,  they could handle that kind of fighting well.   Some Sayoc Kali guys, too. I think empty handed FMA is some of the best hand fighting techniques in the world. Alan in Southold, NY.   --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: [Eskrima] UFC To: "Eskrima-Digest" Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:27 PM ‘Filipino Assassin’ leaves UFC mark By June Navarro Philippine Daily Inquirer MANILA, Philippines—Another mixed martial arts fighter with Filipino roots is making heads turn in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. And just like UFC celebrity Brandon “The Truth” Vera, Philippe Nover has impressed organizers and MMA enthusiasts with a strong finish in the “The Ultimate Fighter 8” last month. Nover clobbered veterans Joe Duarte, Dave Kaplan and George Roop inside two rounds on his way to the lightweight finals of the reality show produced by the UFC. The Brooklyn, New York-raised Nover, however, dropped a three-round decision to Mexican Efrain Escudero in the lightweight finals to end up with a 6-1-1 (win-loss-draw) record last year. Totally impressed, UFC president Dana White conveniently ignored Nover’s defeat and nicknamed the 5-foot-9 Pinoy-Brazilian jiu-jitsu blackbelter as the “Filipino Assassin.” White and TUF8 coach Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira said Nover could be the next Anderson Silva, the reigning UFC middleweight champion. They also likened Nover to reigning UFC welterweight titleholder George St. Pierre. Nover remained humble despite the praises. “I never even thought I could blow up this much and I’m glad that my fans enjoyed it,” the 24-year-old Nover said in a report on www.ufc.com. “I hope I can keep doing what I’m doing. I’ve been training like crazy, and there’s no other way to go but up,” added the fighter who is gifted with heavy hands, a good clinch and a knack for bringing an opponent down to submission. Determined to follow in the footsteps of the light heavyweight Vera (9-3-0), Nover—whose mother is a Filipino— gave up a high-paying job as a registered nurse in the emergency room of the Coney Island Hospital in New York. Nover added other dimensions to his skills prior to entering the UFC by training hard in muay thai, karate, kung fu and arnis to complement his jiu-jitsu expertise. “I’ve dedicated the last six months of my life to fight,” said Nover, who briefly lingered in the Ring of Champions before bringing his act to the UFC. “I quit my full-time job and sacrificed my social life. “The UFC is the NBA of mixed martial arts. I guess dreams come true when you work hard for them. Kung may sipag at tiyaga, may nilaga (You _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 membersEskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:15:50 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net alan:   valid observation, but you have to convert practical (street) combat skills to sport (ring) combat skills, including conditioning, pacing, ability to take hits, ring generalship, right blend of skills, etc.   some FMA organizations in the phil. are shifting their focus to include MMA type of competition, such as YawYan Hybrid and other organizations.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com    --- On Mon, 1/5/09, alan stewart wrote: From: alan stewart Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 5:14 PM I'm kind of surprised that there's not too many FM artists fighting in Submission ( NHB ) matches.  Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think so.  I've seen some Inosanto Kali people, who looked to me like,  they could handle that kind of fighting well.   Some Sayoc Kali guys, too. I think empty handed FMA is some of the best hand fighting techniques in the world. Alan in Southold, NY.   apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 02:43:20 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Manong Jay: second the motion :-) i don't do the MMA thing myself, but on FMADigest, the yearend issue features an article by Antonio Graceffo and his visit to the YawYan Hybrid gym. Bot --- On Tue, 1/6/09, jay de leon wrote: > From: jay de leon > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 10:15 AM > alan: >   > valid observation, but you have to convert practical > (street) combat skills to sport (ring) combat skills, > including conditioning, pacing, ability to take hits, > ring generalship, right blend of skills, etc. >   > some FMA organizations in the phil. are shifting their > focus to include MMA type of competition, such as > YawYan Hybrid and other organizations. >   > jay de leon > www.filipinofightingartsintl.com  >   > > > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, alan stewart > wrote: > > From: alan stewart > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 5:14 PM > > I'm kind of surprised that there's not too many FM > artists fighting in > Submission ( NHB ) matches.  Maybe I'm wrong here, but > I don't think > so.  --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:18:46 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net D you refer to the likes of Sean Sherk? From Greg Nelsons Minnesota Martial Arts Academy? Seen who else he has produced to fight? Erik Paulson should have been in the origional UFC but they already had a shooto person signed up, which was a shame as his pre UFC exploits should have been rewarded - they werent the first were they! What people fail to realise is the commitment and the intensity of training to succeed at that level. the fact that a guntin doesn't work with the gloves on is probably why its not seen but against a conditioned athlete it may not have the desired effect that it might have against a fool on the street. Eriks CSW programme is littered with dumog techniques that many think is greco or catch. Guess what they are! They are in both! Phil Norman (Inosanto blend) in Cage rage the other year, went to take the back of an opponent on knees and started hammer fisting the calf. Not only did this confuse the opponent who had never seen it before it reduced his ability to move efficiently as the round went on. Simple FMA if you ask me. Hughes finishing of Royce where he had a mount where his shins were on the biceps, trapping the arms from his barrage of punches had just been covered in my school by Marc Mcfann in a training session covering Mande muda Silat. I see a lot of silat techniques as functional in the sport world but others dont simply recognise where they come from. Lets also look at the hand motion of an Ortiz or Liddell when they are facing a barrage of punches, where they put their hands on the top of their heads and move the elbows up and down so that the punches hit the elbows. They dont know where it came from but its FMA dirty boxing to me! On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 1:14 AM, alan stewart wrote: > I'm kind of surprised that there's not too many FM artists fighting in > Submission ( NHB ) matches. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think so. > > I've seen some Inosanto Kali people, who looked to me like, they could handle > that kind of fighting well. Some Sayoc Kali guys, too. > > I think empty handed FMA is some of the best hand fighting techniques in the > world. > > Alan in Southold, NY. > -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hybrid Yaw Yan who I have trained with and Yaw Yan Buhawi are one of the few who are training for MMA in the local scene. They also incorporate FMA in their arsenal. Daniel Foronda is one of the great MMA-FMA'ers in the local scene. ________________________________ From: alan stewart To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 7:14:14 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] UFC I'm kind of surprised that there's not too many FM artists fighting in Submission ( NHB ) matches. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I don't think so. I've seen some Inosanto Kali people, who looked to me like, they could handle that kind of fighting well. Some Sayoc Kali guys, too. I think empty handed FMA is some of the best hand fighting techniques in the world. Alan in Southold, NY. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: [Eskrima] UFC To: "Eskrima-Digest" Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 1:27 PM ‘Filipino Assassin’ leaves UFC mark By June Navarro Philippine Daily Inquirer MANILA, Philippines—Another mixed martial arts fighter with Filipino roots is making heads turn in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. And just like UFC celebrity Brandon “The Truth” Vera, Philippe Nover has impressed organizers and MMA enthusiasts with a strong finish in the “The Ultimate Fighter 8” last month. Nover clobbered veterans Joe Duarte, Dave Kaplan and George Roop inside two rounds on his way to the lightweight finals of the reality show produced by the UFC. The Brooklyn, New York-raised Nover, however, dropped a three-round decision to Mexican Efrain Escudero in the lightweight finals to end up with a 6-1-1 (win-loss-draw) record last year. Totally impressed, UFC president Dana White conveniently ignored Nover’s defeat and nicknamed the 5-foot-9 Pinoy-Brazilian jiu-jitsu blackbelter as the “Filipino Assassin.” White and TUF8 coach Rodrigo “Minotauro” Nogueira said Nover could be the next Anderson Silva, the reigning UFC middleweight champion. They also likened Nover to reigning UFC welterweight titleholder George St. Pierre. Nover remained humble despite the praises. “I never even thought I could blow up this much and I’m glad that my fans enjoyed it,” the 24-year-old Nover said in a report on www.ufc.com. “I hope I can keep doing what I’m doing. I’ve been training like crazy, and there’s no other way to go but up,” added the fighter who is gifted with heavy hands, a good clinch and a knack for bringing an opponent down to submission. Determined to follow in the footsteps of the light heavyweight Vera (9-3-0), Nover—whose mother is a Filipino— gave up a high-paying job as a registered nurse in the emergency room of the Coney Island Hospital in New York. Nover added other dimensions to his skills prior to entering the UFC by training hard in muay thai, karate, kung fu and arnis to complement his jiu-jitsu expertise. “I’ve dedicated the last six months of my life to fight,” said Nover, who briefly lingered in the Ring of Champions before bringing his act to the UFC. “I quit my full-time job and sacrificed my social life. “The UFC is the NBA of mixed martial arts. I guess dreams come true when you work hard for them. 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