Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:48:22 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #12 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum (B Light) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:43:53 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] 2010 World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation Championships Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Early start for title bid Monday, January 12, 2009 Sun Star Cebu THE preparations for the 2010 World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation (Wekaf) Championships kicks off later this month with the fourth edition of the Sinulog Arnis Championship on Jan. 17 at the Paseo Center in Mandaue. The competition will serve as the first of a series of the qualifying event that would determine the members of the RP team that will compete in the world championships next year in Mexico. This year’s Sinulog arnis event has attracted several participants from all over the country. There will be representatives from Mindanao, Tacurong, General Santos City and Davao City. Players from Dumaguete, Mabinay and Negros and a bevy of other from the National Capital Region, Philippine National Police and the Armed Forces of the Philippines will also join the event. Apart from them, there will also be a handful of foreign stick fighters taking part in the competition. The tournament was officially announced in a press conference Friday night, which was presided by Wekaf chairman emeritus Dionisio Cañete and Wekaf vice president Gerald Cañete. “This tournament is staged to encourage more players to participate so that we will have a wider base of talents to choose from. By next year, we can finally wrest the most-coveted overall world championship in arnis and not only that, we are promoting our very own Sinulog as out-of-town participants will have an opportunity to witness the festivities while they are here,” said Dionisio. Cebu hosted the world championship last year but the RP team failed to win the overall title, losing by just nine medals to powerhouse USA. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I knew it! I knew it! Kaveman Kali!!!!!!!! :-) Bot >   > i will tell you the real origin of the grappling arts. >   > there was this caveman named Og, who was > on his way home to the warmth of his cave, > dragging his girl friend by the hair with his left > hand and eating dinosaur BBQ with his right > hand.   suddenly he was ambushed by > Mongrel Dog With Sores (MDWS) from an > unfriendly neighboring tribe who was armed > with a club. >   > caught unarmed, Og had to improvise. > he dropped what he was holding, did a vine > or snake on the club, in the struggle > accidentally reaped MDWS's right foot,  > fell on MDWS, mounted him, and started > pounding on him with fists and elbow.  > needless to say, that maneuver saved the > day (and his gf and BBQ dinosaur) for Og. >   > my research shows that Og subsequently > started his martial arts system not long after > this incident, calling it "caveman rock and > roll."  >   --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Master Jay,   Don't forget all the growling that the Okinawans later integrated into their Te :) James U. Sy Jr. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, jay de leon wrote: From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:25 AM that story simply illustrates the universality of the development of martial arts, including the "grappling" arts.   by that time in human history (1940's), many grappling arts had already been formulated, probably by necessity, independent of each other--pankration in greece, jiu-jitsu in japan, chin-na in china, dumog and buno in the philippines, lua in the hawaiian islands, etc.   i will tell you the real origin of the grappling arts.   there was this caveman named Og, who was on his way home to the warmth of his cave, dragging his girl friend by the hair with his left hand and eating dinosaur BBQ with his right hand.   suddenly he was ambushed by Mongrel Dog With Sores (MDWS) from an unfriendly neighboring tribe who was armed with a club.   caught unarmed, Og had to improvise. he dropped what he was holding, did a vine or snake on the club, in the struggle accidentally reaped MDWS's right foot,  fell on MDWS, mounted him, and started pounding on him with fists and elbow.  needless to say, that maneuver saved the day (and his gf and BBQ dinosaur) for Og.   my research shows that Og subsequently started his martial arts system not long after this incident, calling it "caveman rock and roll."    sorry, kaibigan Abon, but your FMA was only second to Og's system, together with the greeks, phoenicians, nubians, assyrians, fijians and others.   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com   --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Michael Gallagher wrote: From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 10:13 AM At 09:09 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >greetings to all, >may I add here that somewhere in the hinterlands of San Carlos, Negros >Oriental there is a system of arnis that named their strangulation and >disarming as "combat Judo". In fact any takedown (Throwing), disarming, >strangulation, twisting of arms or pinning (as in aikido) the locals here >called it combat judo or simply judo. >__ And Sifu Dan Inosanto once said at a seminar (a couple of years ago, so my memory might be hazy) that back during WW2, when Filipinos were asked what their grappling system was, they weren't sure what to call it, so they called it Judo or Jujitsu, but it was really Filipino in origin. >_____________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Michael J. Gallagher mikejoe7g@yahoo.com Cortland, NY USA "I am not A big fat panda. I am THE big fat Panda." -- Po, KUNG FU PANDA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:05:31 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi bot:   are you going to trademark that?   i just realized i need to explain something, mostly to the non-americans probably.  this has to do with my made-up name of "caveman rock and roll."   this is a true story now.  really.    i was teaching a bladed seminar at one time. there was this rough looking fellow who was exhibiting some skills during the drills.  so i asked him, what is your style?   he replied, " X Rock and Roll."  X was a prison.  he added, "yes, i learned it in prison.  i am an ex-con."   just so you know, i was not being that creative when i used that name.   jay de leon www.tipunan.com   --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Felipe Jocano wrote: From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 12:00 AM I knew it! I knew it! Kaveman Kali!!!!!!!! :-) Bot >   > i will tell you the real origin of the grappling arts. >   > there was this caveman named Og, who was > on his way home to the warmth of his cave, > dragging his girl friend by the hair with his left > hand and eating dinosaur BBQ with his right > hand.   suddenly he was ambushed by > Mongrel Dog With Sores (MDWS) from an > unfriendly neighboring tribe who was armed > with a club. >   > caught unarmed, Og had to improvise. > he dropped what he was holding, did a vine > or snake on the club, in the struggle > accidentally reaped MDWS's right foot,  > fell on MDWS, mounted him, and started > pounding on him with fists and elbow.  > needless to say, that maneuver saved the > day (and his gf and BBQ dinosaur) for Og. >   > my research shows that Og subsequently > started his martial arts system not long after > this incident, calling it "caveman rock and > roll."  >   _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi james:   true, and don't forget bruce lee and his animal sounds or whatever they were.   and don't tell me that was only the movies.  hey, for me bruce lee is as real as you can get  :)   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com   --- On Tue, 1/13/09, james jr. sy wrote: From: james jr. sy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:36 AM Master Jay,   Don't forget all the growling that the Okinawans later integrated into their Te :) James U. Sy Jr. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, jay de leon wrote: From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:25 AM that story simply illustrates the universality of the development of martial arts, including the "grappling" arts.   by that time in human history (1940's), many grappling arts had already been formulated, probably by necessity, independent of each other--pankration in greece, jiu-jitsu in japan, chin-na in china, dumog and buno in the philippines, lua in the hawaiian islands, etc.   i will tell you the real origin of the grappling arts.   there was this caveman named Og, who was on his way home to the warmth of his cave, dragging his girl friend by the hair with his left hand and eating dinosaur BBQ with his right hand.   suddenly he was ambushed by Mongrel Dog With Sores (MDWS) from an unfriendly neighboring tribe who was armed with a club.   caught unarmed, Og had to improvise. he dropped what he was holding, did a vine or snake on the club, in the struggle accidentally reaped MDWS's right foot,  fell on MDWS, mounted him, and started pounding on him with fists and elbow.  needless to say, that maneuver saved the day (and his gf and BBQ dinosaur) for Og.   my research shows that Og subsequently started his martial arts system not long after this incident, calling it "caveman rock and roll."    sorry, kaibigan Abon, but your FMA was only second to Og's system, together with the greeks, phoenicians, nubians, assyrians, fijians and others.   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com   --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Michael Gallagher wrote: From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 10:13 AM At 09:09 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >greetings to all, >may I add here that somewhere in the hinterlands of San Carlos, Negros >Oriental there is a system of arnis that named their strangulation and >disarming as "combat Judo". In fact any takedown (Throwing), disarming, >strangulation, twisting of arms or pinning (as in aikido) the locals here >called it combat judo or simply judo. >__ And Sifu Dan Inosanto once said at a seminar (a couple of years ago, so my memory might be hazy) that back during WW2, when Filipinos were asked what their grappling system was, they weren't sure what to call it, so they called it Judo or Jujitsu, but it was really Filipino in origin. >_____________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Michael J. Gallagher mikejoe7g@yahoo.com Cortland, NY USA "I am not A big fat panda. I am THE big fat Panda." -- Po, KUNG FU PANDA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: B Light Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The first recorded martial arts were in ancient Africa, and these influenced people around the world. The wall paintings at Beni Hasan graphically illustrate this point, showing ancient grappling. Ancient Africans also developed stick fighting and boxing, and there is much documentation of this also. I wouldn't be surprised that the first MMA were created there too, although information about that is harder to find. --- On Tue, 1/13/09, jay de leon wrote: From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 8:38 AM hi james:   true, and don't forget bruce lee and his animal sounds or whatever they were.   and don't tell me that was only the movies.  hey, for me bruce lee is as real as you can get  :)   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com   --- On Tue, 1/13/09, james jr. sy wrote: From: james jr. sy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 2:36 AM Master Jay,   Don't forget all the growling that the Okinawans later integrated into their Te :) James U. Sy Jr. --- On Mon, 1/12/09, jay de leon wrote: From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:25 AM that story simply illustrates the universality of the development of martial arts, including the "grappling" arts.   by that time in human history (1940's), many grappling arts had already been formulated, probably by necessity, independent of each other--pankration in greece, jiu-jitsu in japan, chin-na in china, dumog and buno in the philippines, lua in the hawaiian islands, etc.   i will tell you the real origin of the grappling arts.   there was this caveman named Og, who was on his way home to the warmth of his cave, dragging his girl friend by the hair with his left hand and eating dinosaur BBQ with his right hand.   suddenly he was ambushed by Mongrel Dog With Sores (MDWS) from an unfriendly neighboring tribe who was armed with a club.   caught unarmed, Og had to improvise. he dropped what he was holding, did a vine or snake on the club, in the struggle accidentally reaped MDWS's right foot,  fell on MDWS, mounted him, and started pounding on him with fists and elbow.  needless to say, that maneuver saved the day (and his gf and BBQ dinosaur) for Og.   my research shows that Og subsequently started his martial arts system not long after this incident, calling it "caveman rock and roll."    sorry, kaibigan Abon, but your FMA was only second to Og's system, together with the greeks, phoenicians, nubians, assyrians, fijians and others.   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com   --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Michael Gallagher wrote: From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Combat Judo as part of FMA curriculum To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 10:13 AM At 09:09 AM 1/10/2009, you wrote: >greetings to all, >may I add here that somewhere in the hinterlands of San Carlos, Negros >Oriental there is a system of arnis that named their strangulation and >disarming as "combat Judo". In fact any takedown (Throwing), disarming, >strangulation, twisting of arms or pinning (as in aikido) the locals here >called it combat judo or simply judo. >__ And Sifu Dan Inosanto once said at a seminar (a couple of years ago, so my memory might be hazy) that back during WW2, when Filipinos were asked what their grappling system was, they weren't sure what to call it, so they called it Judo or Jujitsu, but it was really Filipino in origin. >_____________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Michael J. Gallagher mikejoe7g@yahoo.com Cortland, NY USA "I am not A big fat panda. I am THE big fat Panda." -- Po, KUNG FU PANDA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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