Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #17 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. back to FMA (Ray) 2. =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Sinulog_Arnis_C=92ship_opens_today?= (Ray) 3. spanking (Gordon Walker) 4. Re: africa and martial arts origin (maurice gatdula) 5. Re: spanking (Felipe Jocano) 6. Mainly FMA (Julian Gilmour) 7. Re: Re: africa and martial arts origin (iPat) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:59:23 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] back to FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks, please take the creation vs. evolution discussions offline. Both sides have been expressed, now it is time to get back to FMA. Ray --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:14:00 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Sinulog_Arnis_C=92ship_opens_today?= Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sinulog Arnis C’ship opens today Cebu Daily News Correspondent Jonas Panerio Arnis fighters and enthusiasts alike are in for one explosive weekend as the 4th Sinulog Arnis Championships kick off today at the Paseo Center in Brgy. Panagdait. The annual tournament is the kickoff leg for the 2010 World Eskrima Kali Arnis Federation (WEKAF) World Championships in Mexico. Fighters who are aiming to make the team that will represent the country in the prestigious tournament, will have to hurdle their respective opponents today to take a step closer to booking a ticket to Mexico City. The competition will pit Cebu's best eskrimadors from Talamban and Lapu-Lapu as well as the other parts of the city, against the best from Mindanao, namely Tacurong, General Santos City and Davao and the Visayas region, in what has been a much-anticipated tournament for four years running already. The Manila region will also be sending a delegation courtesy of its fighters from the Philippine National Police and the Armed Forces of the Philippines. There are five qualifying legs which will be scattered through 2009 and early 2010 in order to determine who is worthy of a slot in the RP team. Cebu hosted the last World Championships and once again, fell short of the elusive title, which it last held in 2000. Team Philippines wound up with 35 gold medals, nine short of the eventual champions, USA. There will be competition in the single stick and double stick --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:18:42 -0700 From: "Gordon Walker" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] spanking Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think this spanking art would have a large stealth component to it, similar to the ninjutsu art of invisibility. maybe we can get ashida kim to post his theories on the possible japanese connection to the development of the filipino spank. or perhaps the spank is a result of large sweeping circular footwork to gain the penultimate spanking angle. who is the punong guro? gumagalang, gord --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:21:20 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: africa and martial arts origin Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i dont think its fair to say that the idea, that martial arts in africa came first. if this is the first civilization then why not? but at the same time, just because it was there first, does not mean every where else got it from africa.   you can find a stick any corner of this world, but who can say the first guy to pick one up and defend himself? does it mean the filipino got it from him? thats ridiculous. but like i said, we should not make fun of somebody who says, africa had martial arts, or even that they had martial arts before everyone else. its possible.   now to say that an art is older, does not mean *better*. this is the same argument of some other "ancient filipino arts" who think dancing around in traditional clothes makes the arts better than a dusty kid in t shirt and shorts. this is image and marketing, and maybe its to make some people feel better about what they are doing. i dont think the original poster says african martial arts is better than anyone else.   anyway, if anybody is from washington, DC you might remember the kupagani guys, who do an african martial art. i seen a few and mostly they were hsing yi / ba gua / tai chi guys in african clothes. but the kupigani group were very different, and they fought. a friend of mine let me spar with some in baltimore, and i can say, those dudes know how to throw down. dennis brown, who does the capitol classics tournament, use to have some teachingin his place, its a good style. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] spanking To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is also the possibility of grappling to get the spanking angle correct :-) Hmm - Punong Guro ng Pamamalo? that's something to think about :-) anyone you have in mind? Bot --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Gordon Walker wrote: > From: Gordon Walker > Subject: [Eskrima] spanking > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 9:18 AM > I think this spanking art would have a large stealth > component to it, > similar to the ninjutsu art of invisibility. maybe we can > get ashida > kim to post his theories on the possible japanese > connection to the > development of the filipino spank. > or perhaps the spank is a result of large sweeping circular > footwork > to gain the penultimate spanking angle. > who is the punong guro? > gumagalang, > gord > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Julian Gilmour To: Escrima Digest Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:15:07 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Mainly FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all My version of ED didn’t publish my original submission, the version I subscribe to doesn’t publish 100% of posts. Firstly I don’t want to offend, and I respect all beliefs – what we have in common as humans, is far more important than what separates us. For those who didn’t get it, the general gist was that baboons wrestle but also apparently punch with closed fist, just like humans. There is also solid evidence that chimps not only use simple clubs, but even make stabbing weapons to hunt and fight with. Thus the martial arts are, if not possibly older than humans, they are not confined to humans alone. Using clubs and edged weapons sounds relevant to the list to me, at least. I agree with Mr Coats’ point that it takes humans to systematise them, and I alluded to there being no chimp belt system in my first post. I think the future of Filipino Martial Arts is looking pretty bright because they are so effective. They have evolved in a culture where practicality, weapons, multiple attackers etc, are all covered, and thus the FMA have evolved into - in my mind - the completest of systems. In these days of the internet and affordable air travel, anyone can gain access to knowledge about almost any martial art. In this environment, from being all but unknown in the west around 30 years ago, the FMA are now getting much media coverage, appear in Hollywood, and are popular in the English martial arts magazines. This is fantastic, and with a level playing field, the FMA will continue to rise in popularity, while some of the less practical, flowery, or downright rubbish martial art systems lose popularity. This is survival of the fittest as, when tested, it is only the strongest systems that last long enough to pass their knowledge on, in this case FMA. Surely FMA, and FMA practitioners are still finding ways of fine tuning and improving their skills and techniques, or fitting themselves to the essence of the art, depending on how you look at it, so as to compete against other systems. Just like any other kind of evolution. Long may it continue. ‘Strike from the void’ Julian _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:36:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: africa and martial arts origin From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Hundredth Monkey syndrome, whether you accept it or not [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_Monkey_Effect] On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 5:21 AM, maurice gatdula wrote: > > you can find a stick any corner of this world, but who can say the first guy > to pick one up and defend himself? does it mean the filipino got it from him? > thats ridiculous. but like i said, we should not make fun of somebody who > says, africa had martial arts, or even that they had martial arts before > everyone else. its possible. > > -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk Rehome a Boxer: www.boxerwelfarescotland.co.uk a mind that is entrenched in the authority of knowledge cannot possibly learn --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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