Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #21 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. 100 monkeys (william mcgrath) 2. Re: 100 monkeys drinking beer on the wall (Jon Broster) 3. PTI UK SEMINAR 2009 with Tuhon McGrath (iPat) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: william mcgrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 100 monkeys Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On a similar (but not simian) tangent, I remember reading of an interesting occurrence in the ancient world. Once one group invented a device (a simple water pump for example) a neighboring group would very soon thereafter invent a device that accomplished the same goal, but very often in a completely different way. It was as if once the second group found out that such a thing was possible they set about finding a way to get the job done. The important part here is that a really simple device was not invented till late in group one's history, but very soon after group two heard that it was possible, they invented their own version of it. The idea being that simply having the knowledge that the thing could be done (not how it was done) led to its development in the second group. An example of the power of an idea- just by knowing that a thing is possible breaks the mental inertia that might have been holding something back for millenia. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath PS I think the book I read with that info was Guns, Germs and Steel. I highly recommend it. www.TheSwordofFire.com www.pekiti.com http://www.youtube.com/user/TuhonBillMcg --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:29:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Broster Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 100 monkeys drinking beer on the wall To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi,   There is a nice word for this, that obviates the need for stories about monkeys: POLYGENESIS.   Frequently used in linguistics to explain how features of one language can develop in another, totally unrelated, one.   For example, consonant mutations in Welsh are very similar to those in Japanese (in spoken language). So, the sign at Bangor railway station reads: Croeso y Vangor. (Welcome to Bangor) Here the B mutates to a V because of surrounding letters. In Japanese a [sh] can mutate into a [j], so shime (choke/strangle) becomes [jujiJime] because of the surrounding letters.   There is no suggestion here that the Welsh and Japanese colluded on this, simply that there is a part of the human condition that makes parallel development likely.   Jon Specialist treatment for muscular problems & sporting injuries. http://www.notts-tuina.co.uk The concept you cite, "an art could develop in different areas of the world without it necessarily being passed on by contact", IMHO is not the same thing at all. TAC, Marc/CD --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:39:33 +0000 From: iPat To: info@amag.org.uk Subject: [Eskrima] PTI UK SEMINAR 2009 with Tuhon McGrath Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net PTI UK SEMINAR 2009 with Tuhon Bill McGrath APRIL 11-12th NORTHAMPTON Rough N Ready Gym,Unit B, Spring Lane, Northampton MN1 2JW 8 hours training both days * Solo - Single stick. * Doble - Double stick. * Espada y Daga - Sword and Dagger. * Daga y Daga - Knife to Knife (both single and double). * Mano y Mano - Hand to Hand. Saturday 12 - 8pm, Sunday 10am - 6pm £80 both days, £50 one day Limited Places. Early pay guarantees place. Contact 07710401111 info@amag.org.uk http://www.amag.org.uk/PTI.html Bill McGrath started his training in Pekiti-Tirsia in 1975 at the age of 14. In 1994 Bill McGrath was promoted to the rank of Tuhon Guro (Chief Instructor) by Grandmaster Leo Gaje. A year later Tuhon McGrath started an official organization with the aim of preserving and promoting a single art, Pekiti-Tirsia. That organization is called Pekiti-Tirsia International. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED -- Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest