Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:25:00 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #43 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. baguio (Gordon Walker) 2. Grandmaster Ben T. Largusa (Mark Harrell) 3. Re: how does one become a (realitycombat) 4. Re: how does one become a (realitycombat) 5. Re: how does one become a (Ray) 6. Roberto Gonzales (jorge penafiel) 7. Frans Stroeven's first UK seminar (Ollie Batts) 8. How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? (talibung@yahoo.com) 9. March 28th,2009 JMA verses FMA at Anaheim (Lawrence, Marc J.) 10. Re: How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? (Ruel Apostol) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:25:42 -0700 From: Gordon Walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] baguio Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, there are two groups training at the ymca, not sure of lineage, a sikaran/sinkatan group, under rogelio meijia, and there was a doce pares instructor, teaching out of a tkd Club in puerta vaga mall. there's a fitness club in the same mall, offering muay thai, and the teacher teaches another system, privately...elie nerona, was his name, i think. there is also a modern arnis club, which I keep missing, through IMAFP. i'm sure there's more, but having brown skin still doesn't make the doors open. gord --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Mark Harrell To: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:35:45 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Grandmaster Ben T. Largusa Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of you who wish to send well wishes to Grandmaster Largusa the best suggestion that I have is send your emails to the Official Kali Association of America representative: Mel Lopez at info@villabrillelargusakali.com Mr. Lopez is Grandmaster Largusa's choosen successor and I am certain that he will forward your well wishes to Grandmaster Largusa. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:22:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: realitycombat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] how does one become a Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well put. I could'nt agree more. Thanks for the input. Sifu/Guro J Hosch -----Original Message----- >From: B Katz >Sent: Feb 18, 2009 3:23 PM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] how does one become a "recognized expert"? > >Best guess... make the claim. Seems to be the order of the day anymore. We >have had a strip-mall sensei here in town take a arnis seminar, (JUST ONE!!!) >and start TEACHING in his school. It's tragic, I iknow. >  >Short of official recognition from an accepted Master, (like GM Diego) it >would be a hard sell for ANYONE to get it by me. I meet too many clowns that >make the claim and then wilt like lettuce under a heat lamp when someone >suggests some hard contact sparring. >  >Case in point... We had a fellow make all sorts of noise about being a kali >player. So we invited him to come hang out with us at our weekly stick-banging >session. He was very unceremoniously THUMPED by my 13 year-old son. Bear in >mind that this guy looked GREAT on paper. Credentials til who laid the rail, >but when confronted with a 100 lb, 5' 1" boy who was coming at him with >intent... he ended up using his certificates to wipe the tears of >humiliation. >  >I guess that my point is simply this... The only way to ascertain "Master" >ranking is to prove it. >  >Just the thoughts of a guy that has a couple scars... >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:33:54 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: realitycombat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] how does one become a Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have trained in the arts for 30 years. I have used what I have learned and teach, in real life threatening situations. I have the rank of Sifu and Guro in a few different styles of Gung Fu, Silat, Kuntao, Kali and Eskrima. I have survived knife attack as well as gun. Will I ever call myself a "master"? NEVER! Can one truly come to the point that he is really a master. I think not. There is just too much to learn. Just my 2 cents for whatever it's worth. Sifu/Guro J Hosch PS. Just a shameless plug - You cant get better training than from Mark Denny. -----Original Message----- >From: Ruel Apostol >Sent: Feb 18, 2009 2:03 PM >To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [Eskrima] how does one become a "recognized expert"? > >Just wondering... in these modern times, combat is not done with blades anymore, right? So, how does one become a "recognized expert" when you can barely have an experience with an actual bladed combat? There are a lot of recognized "close quarters" experts, "blade" experts, and so on and so forth... but I thought... without actual experience, is it possible that one can have that recognition? >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: Eskrima-Digest Subject: Re: [Eskrima] how does one become a Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:45:02 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The US is currently at war and has been involved in many such engagements over the last 45 years. So those with war zone experience, esp Special Forces, will frequently have the experience of which you speak. No, I am not one of them, but I honor those that are or have been... Short of that, sticks are used in Eskrima when a blade cannot reasonably be the weapon of choice. So... who have you fought lately? Ray > Just wondering... in these modern times, combat is not done with blades anymore, > right? So, how does one become a "recognized expert" when you can barely have > an experience with an actual bladed combat? There are a lot of recognized "close quarters" > experts, "blade" experts, and so on and so forth... but I thought... without actual experience, > is it possible that one can have that recognition? --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:44:24 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Roberto Gonzales Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Roberto Gonzales,,,the consumate Ilongo martial artist extraordinaire of his time/stuntman/king of karate filipino movies/debonaire/rich and famous/family man and sadly as told, towards the end living a bitter obscure life. For whatever fate or reasons, FMA community bids you Farewell and Thanks for the Memories!! Least, I have the honor to meet the man, his father Latino, brother Roland and members of his renowned Gonalez Karate family. Foremost, as with all pinoys fans of filipino karate movies then, we enjoyed and even tried to mimicked his moves and stunts from his fight scenes. It was far beyond then in artistry, execution, and a joy to watch - no gimmickry, wires, or what-not. Just pure talent! "Rest in Peace Brother". Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ollie Batts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:13:14 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Frans Stroeven's first UK seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just to let you all know that in just 2 months time, Frans Stroeven will be in the UK to conduct his very first seminar weekend. Further details are: Dates: The weekend of 18/19th April, 2009 Times: 11am - 4pm (1100 - 1600hrs) both days Venue: The Leys Sports Complex, Trumpington Road, Cambridge, CB2 2AD Costs: £45 both days or £30 for one day only if paid before 11th April (£60/£40 after that date) As you can see from the fees above, we have whittled the cost right down to the very bone for you. To see Frans in action, visit YouTube and check out some of his video clips, such as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6-4K27QR0 This has been a controversial invite and hosting from our point of view, but we hope that there are a few men (and women) out there, at least, who will make up their own minds whether to attend this seminar or not. In addition: We are pleased to announce that Eskrimador Supplies will also be in attendance over the weekend, should you need to replace and/ or add to your FMA equipment. Please let me (or them) know if you want them to bring any special items along that they might otherwise not have with them. Ollie Batts Director & Senior Instructor Cambridge Academy of Martial Arts® Tel: 01223 565 020 (mob: 07709 81 44 22) --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:20:01 +0800 (SGT) From: talibung@yahoo.com Subject: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recognition here in Panay is very simple... let these so called Blade Masters with a bundle of diplomas and transcendental ranks come over here in the Island of Panay Philippines during the months of April to May and let them take part in an all night dance in one of the Barangay Fiestas in the interior towns of Antique, Capiz and hinterlands of Iloilo where the highest bidder of the music and the chicken lechon that goes with the most beautiful ladies of the night to dance with has to put up a pot money as part of the traditional norm of fund raising. Surely, it won't be long enough that these supposedly blade experts would find themselves in the middle of a real life blades encounter and would be a good true to life test of gallantry and expertise in dealing with live blades confrontation where razor sharp blades of the native "Talibung, Pinuti, Ginunting and Lugod" still speak their own silent language here in our native land of (Aninipay) Panay despite the advent of "Pugakhang" - home made 12 gauge shotguns ranging from a single shot pistol model, pump action and the semi automatic M16 look alike that are being bartered by the local gun runners in the mountain sides for chickens, pigs, sacks of rice and even cows for those who are cash strapped. Surviving or successfully handling these real life scenarios in Philippine setting is one of the many simple tests of blade mastery. No amount of hundreds of techniques and bundles of diplomas nor colorful belts can attest to true "Blade Mastery Recognition" than surviving the unknown "tumbadors" (silent determined killers) in the shadows who's skills are just focused on delivering deceptive silent lethal and killing stabs and slashes ensuring that any of their chosen victim can't simply fend off, survive, and retaliate. This is real life blade fighting in Panay and I suppose in some other parts of the country as well...not the pre arranged controlled environment of the dojo for drills or for show... scenarios inside the public transport like jeepneys, dark alleys, in the middle of an empty dimly lit street, in the middle of the dance mock up plaza during barangay and town fiestas, drinking inside the bar or  going out of a Karaoke bar for a pee, walking along an empty road between sugarcane fields, even sitting in a dimly lit shaded area of a public plaza... these are the areas where the real "tumbadors" lurk and make their hit not inside dojo like rooms and environ. They don't even make a hint that they will strike with their blades contrary to the popular notion of face to face positioned altercation. It is unfortunate and grossly misleading that what we commonly see uploaded in the youtube labeled as knife fighting is far from reality if we talk of real knife fighting in our Philippine setting... Personal experience and the archives of our Philippine Courts of eye witnesses blow by blow accounts and sworn affidavits of victims and accused alike will attest to the truths and myths about blade fights. Just my few cents... Peace --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Ruel Apostol wrote: From: Ruel Apostol Subject: [Eskrima] how does one become a "recognized expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:03 PM Just wondering... in these modern times, combat is not done with blades anymore, right?  So, how does one become a "recognized expert" when you can barely have an experience with an actual bladed combat?  There are a lot of recognized "close quarters" experts, "blade" experts, and so on and so forth... but I thought... without actual experience, is it possible that one can have that recognition? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Start chatting with friends on the all-new Yahoo! Pingbox today!! It's easy to create your personal chat space on your blogs. http://ph..messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:49:43 -0600 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Cc: Subject: [Eskrima] March 28th,2009 JMA verses FMA at Anaheim Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To All, On March 28th, 2009 at Anaheim, California, history will be made when Chanbara (a Japanese Weapons Sparring Group) and other Japanese Martial Arts groups will be facing off with members of USFMAF and WEKAF in the open weapons division of the USFMAF /Disney tournament. These division matches will be half point sparring and half continuous sparring. Currently, I understand there are only 15-20 FMA fighters signed up to fight against the Japanese Martial Art Fighters. We need support from the FMA community in Southern and Northern California to come to Anaheim and support our art and community. Please sign up at www.tournament.info/da-Filipino.htm. Regardless of the politics show support for the art. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ooooo... that place sounds scary indeed. Is that still a part of the Philippine archipelago where the law of the lands can not reach anymore? Aren't there any Police Stations in that area anymore? ________________________________ From: "talibung@yahoo.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:20:01 AM Subject: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? Recognition here in Panay is very simple... let these so called Blade Masters with a bundle of diplomas and transcendental ranks come over here in the Island of Panay Philippines during the months of April to May and let them take part in an all night dance in one of the Barangay Fiestas in the interior towns of Antique, Capiz and hinterlands of Iloilo where the highest bidder of the music and the chicken lechon that goes with the most beautiful ladies of the night to dance with has to put up a pot money as part of the traditional norm of fund raising. Surely, it won't be long enough that these supposedly blade experts would find themselves in the middle of a real life blades encounter and would be a good true to life test of gallantry and expertise in dealing with live blades confrontation where razor sharp blades of the native "Talibung, Pinuti, Ginunting and Lugod" still speak their own silent language here in our native land of (Aninipay) Panay despite the advent of "Pugakhang" - home made 12 gauge shotguns ranging from a single shot pistol model, pump action and the semi automatic M16 look alike that are being bartered by the local gun runners in the mountain sides for chickens, pigs, sacks of rice and even cows for those who are cash strapped. Surviving or successfully handling these real life scenarios in Philippine setting is one of the many simple tests of blade mastery. No amount of hundreds of techniques and bundles of diplomas nor colorful belts can attest to true "Blade Mastery Recognition" than surviving the unknown "tumbadors" (silent determined killers) in the shadows who's skills are just focused on delivering deceptive silent lethal and killing stabs and slashes ensuring that any of their chosen victim can't simply fend off, survive, and retaliate. This is real life blade fighting in Panay and I suppose in some other parts of the country as well...not the pre arranged controlled environment of the dojo for drills or for show... scenarios inside the public transport like jeepneys, dark alleys, in the middle of an empty dimly lit street, in the middle of the dance mock up plaza during barangay and town fiestas, drinking inside the bar or going out of a Karaoke bar for a pee, walking along an empty road between sugarcane fields, even sitting in a dimly lit shaded area of a public plaza... these are the areas where the real "tumbadors" lurk and make their hit not inside dojo like rooms and environ. They don't even make a hint that they will strike with their blades contrary to the popular notion of face to face positioned altercation. It is unfortunate and grossly misleading that what we commonly see uploaded in the youtube labeled as knife fighting is far from reality if we talk of real knife fighting in our Philippine setting... Personal experience and the archives of our Philippine Courts of eye witnesses blow by blow accounts and sworn affidavits of victims and accused alike will attest to the truths and myths about blade fights. Just my few cents... Peace --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Ruel Apostol wrote: From: Ruel Apostol Subject: [Eskrima] how does one become a "recognized expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:03 PM Just wondering... in these modern times, combat is not done with blades anymore, right? So, how does one become a "recognized expert" when you can barely have an experience with an actual bladed combat? There are a lot of recognized "close quarters" experts, "blade" experts, and so on and so forth... but I thought... without actual experience, is it possible that one can have that recognition? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Start chatting with friends on the all-new Yahoo! Pingbox today!! It's easy to create your personal chat space on your blogs. http://ph..messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest