Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:48:22 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #44 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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(bhubbard@tisoy.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Roberto Gonzales To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net farewell and rest in peace, roberto gonzales.   he was as big as star as there could be in the action genre.  his contemporaries included Tony Ferrer, Joseph Estrada, Jun Aristorenas, Alberto Alonzo, Jess Lapid and Fernando Poe, Jr.    he was a real deal hardcore karatista.  movie stars of this ilk included Roland Gonzales (his brother), Bernard Belleza, Bernard Bonin and Vic Vargas.   i have to thank his father Latino Gonzales for my hardcore karate training in his system.  i trained for two years with PHICKAJU (Phil Combat Karate and Judo Assn), a member of the "Siete Pares Shorin-Ryu Confederation," a Latino Gonzales affiliate.    The head of this confederation, Jimmy Carranza, was a hardcore blackbelt under Latino Gonzales, who later joined the NBI (equivalent to the FBI) and was killed in the line of duty during a drug raid.  I remember PG Mat Marinas mentioning he was a member of the Commando Karate and Judo Club, another Latino Gonzales affiliate dojo.   Mert Altares, an ED listmember, just mentioned to me that the chief instructor of my PHICKAJU school, Ranie Henson, is still kicking ass in Angeles, Pampanga, after a long stint teaching martial arts in the Middle East.   right on, brother Jorge.  Latino Gonzales shorin-ryu lives on...   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com       --- On Thu, 2/19/09, jorge penafiel wrote: From: jorge penafiel Subject: [Eskrima] Roberto Gonzales To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:44 AM Roberto Gonzales,,,the consumate Ilongo martial artist extraordinaire of his time/stuntman/king of karate filipino movies/debonaire/rich and famous/family man and sadly as told, towards the end living a bitter obscure life. For whatever fate or reasons, FMA community bids you Farewell and Thanks for the Memories!! Least, I have the honor to meet the man, his father Latino, brother Roland and members of his renowned Gonalez Karate family. Foremost, as with all pinoys fans of filipino karate movies then, we enjoyed and even tried to mimicked his moves and stunts from his fight scenes. It was far beyond then in artistry, execution, and a joy to watch - no gimmickry, wires, or what-not. Just pure talent! "Rest in Peace Brother". Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:47:15 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net aw, come on, little bad boy.  you know how it goes in the philippines.  of course there are policemen and police stations.   the police will show up after the incident, identify the corpse and take reports from anybody willing to talk. by that time, of course, all the participants and any real eyewitness will all be long gone.  and most of the time, forgotten.     jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Ruel Apostol wrote: From: Ruel Apostol Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 9:21 AM Ooooo... that place sounds scary indeed. Is that still a part of the Philippine archipelago where the law of the lands can not reach anymore? Aren't there any Police Stations in that area anymore? ________________________________ From: "talibung@yahoo.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:20:01 AM Subject: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? Recognition here in Panay is very simple... let these so called Blade Masters with a bundle of diplomas and transcendental ranks come over here in the Island of Panay Philippines during the months of April to May and let them take part in an all night dance in one of the Barangay Fiestas in the interior towns of Antique, Capiz and hinterlands of Iloilo where the highest bidder of the music and the chicken lechon that goes with the most beautiful ladies of the night to dance with has to put up a pot money as part of the traditional norm of fund raising. Surely, it won't be long enough that these supposedly blade experts would find themselves in the middle of a real life blades encounter and would be a good true to life test of gallantry and expertise in dealing with live blades confrontation where razor sharp blades of the native "Talibung, Pinuti, Ginunting and Lugod" still speak their own silent language here in our native land of (Aninipay) Panay despite the advent of "Pugakhang" - home made 12 gauge shotguns ranging from a single shot pistol model, pump action and the semi automatic M16 look alike that are being bartered by the local gun runners in the mountain sides for chickens, pigs, sacks of rice and even cows for those who are cash strapped. Surviving or successfully handling these real life scenarios in Philippine setting is one of the many simple tests of blade mastery. No amount of hundreds of techniques and bundles of diplomas nor colorful belts can attest to true "Blade Mastery Recognition" than surviving the unknown "tumbadors" (silent determined killers) in the shadows who's skills are just focused on delivering deceptive silent lethal and killing stabs and slashes ensuring that any of their chosen victim can't simply fend off, survive, and retaliate. This is real life blade fighting in Panay and I suppose in some other parts of the country as well...not the pre arranged controlled environment of the dojo for drills or for show... scenarios inside the public transport like jeepneys, dark alleys, in the middle of an empty dimly lit street, in the middle of the dance mock up plaza during barangay and town fiestas, drinking inside the bar or going out of a Karaoke bar for a pee, walking along an empty road between sugarcane fields, even sitting in a dimly lit shaded area of a public plaza... these are the areas where the real "tumbadors" lurk and make their hit not inside dojo like rooms and environ. They don't even make a hint that they will strike with their blades contrary to the popular notion of face to face positioned altercation. It is unfortunate and grossly misleading that what we commonly see uploaded in the youtube labeled as knife fighting is far from reality if we talk of real knife fighting in our Philippine setting... Personal experience and the archives of our Philippine Courts of eye witnesses blow by blow accounts and sworn affidavits of victims and accused alike will attest to the truths and myths about blade fights. Just my few cents... Peace --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Ruel Apostol wrote: From: Ruel Apostol Subject: [Eskrima] how does one become a "recognized expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wednesday, 18 February, 2009, 8:03 PM Just wondering... in these modern times, combat is not done with blades anymore, right? So, how does one become a "recognized expert" when you can barely have an experience with an actual bladed combat? There are a lot of recognized "close quarters" experts, "blade" experts, and so on and so forth... but I thought... without actual experience, is it possible that one can have that recognition? _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Start chatting with friends on the all-new Yahoo! Pingbox today!! It's easy to create your personal chat space on your blogs. http://ph..messenger.yahoo.com/pingbox _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ollie Batts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:02:39 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] So now we know! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net No doubt everyone except for me has seen this before, but just in case: http://blanciaangel.blogspot.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: bhubbard@tisoy.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: How does one become a recognized expert? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey There, There's a great section on how to be become a recognized expert in any field in the book "The 4-Hour Workweek" by Tim Ferris (http://fourhourworkweek.com). I think we all know that there are recognized experts who are sometimes more recognized than expert. The book by itself is worthwhile to get and read, but his part on becoming a recognized expert is painfully and "skin-crawlingly" true. He gives you a step by step method of getting yourself recognition, which is not dependent on your skill at the area of expertise at all, but rather self promotion is a skill in and of itself. In the end, sometimes the truth comes out and sometimes people pay attention. Be Cool. Bart Hubbard --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest