Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:48:22 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #45 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: How does one become a recognized expert? (Eternal IV) 2. Re: How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: Re: How does one become a recognized expert? (jay de leon) 4. Re: Re: How does one become a recognized expert? (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Eternal IV To: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:29:35 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: How does one become a recognized expert? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This discussion reminds me of a couple of stories... One is, how many years ago when the Martial arts were starting to gather momentum in the USA, they held tournaments where Martial artists (most of them Karate-ka) came and competed and showed their skill. Most of them were arrogant of their skill and dressed in their white Gi's with their black belts. These Martial artists no doubt possessed some degree of skill, but the part of the story I like is that a small-statured Chinese chef came along and had a spar. He wiped the floor with them. Proving you don't need size nor grand uniforms and titles to be skilled or be a so called 'expert'. Another story I recall is that of Miyamoto Musashi (Kensei = Sword Saint). He trained in the Martial arts from a very early age, and legend tells of how he was undefeated in duels by the age of 21! Yet he wrote, that it was when he reached the age of 40 that he began to 'truly understand'. To me, these tell me that you dont need grand uniforms or titles. You dont need hundreds of followers who bow before you and address you as Master. After many years of solid training, you will always have more to learn and further to go along your journey in 'the Way'. To call oneself an 'Expert' in the Martial arts to me would be arrogant and egotistical. NOT what Martial arts are about. Myself, I am an instructor of FMA, yes, but I am also an Eternal Student of 'the Way'. Something I will be till the day I die. And when I do die, I would hope it would not be lying in my bed, but standing on the mats of the Dojo. Training till my last breath, falling like some aged tree finally succumbing against its will to time and the elements. Peace, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Ruel, of course there are... but they can't be around all the time... Bot --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Ruel Apostol wrote: > From: Ruel Apostol > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized Expert"? > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 1:21 AM > Ooooo... that place sounds scary indeed. Is that still a > part of the Philippine archipelago where the law of the > lands can not reach anymore? Aren't there any Police > Stations in that area anymore? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "talibung@yahoo.com" > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 2:20:01 AM > Subject: [Eskrima] How does one become a "Recognized > Expert"? > > Recognition here in Panay is very simple... let these so > called Blade Masters > with a bundle of diplomas and transcendental ranks come > over here --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:01:42 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: How does one become a recognized expert? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net scott, you must be a youngster.   son, when you get to be master ray terry's age, all you would want to do is take your shoes off, put your shorts on, and wheel (as in wheelchair) your way  to the jacuzzi with your towel and your wine.   for master jorge penafiel and myself, it will be San Miguel beer in the sands of Boracay or Palawan or Hundred Islands or Ilocos Norte.   jay de leon www.tipunan.com --- On Thu, 2/19/09, Eternal IV wrote: From: Eternal IV Subject: [Eskrima] Re: How does one become a recognized expert? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 5:29 PM Myself, I am an instructor of FMA, yes, but I am also an Eternal Student of 'the Way'. Something I will be till the day I die. And when I do die, I would hope it would not be lying in my bed, but standing on the mats of the Dojo. Training till my last breath, falling like some aged tree finally succumbing against its will to time and the elements. Peace, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:51:42 -0500 From: Mike Casto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: How does one become a recognized expert? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. And like I heard GM Cacoy Canete say a few years back, "Even though I had a 'master' ranking earlier I didn't feel that I had actually *mastered* anything until I had been training it for 40 years. Even after 80 years of training I find some new understanding every day." Mike Eternal IV wrote: > This discussion reminds me of a couple of stories... > > One is, how many years ago when the Martial arts were starting to gather > momentum in the USA, they held tournaments where Martial artists (most of them > Karate-ka) came and competed and showed their skill. Most of them were > arrogant of their skill and dressed in their white Gi's with their black > belts. These Martial artists no doubt possessed some degree of skill, but the > part of the story I like is that a small-statured Chinese chef came along and > had a spar. He wiped the floor with them. Proving you don't need size nor > grand uniforms and titles to be skilled or be a so called 'expert'. > > Another story I recall is that of Miyamoto Musashi (Kensei = Sword Saint). He > trained in the Martial arts from a very early age, and legend tells of how he > was undefeated in duels by the age of 21! Yet he wrote, that it was when he > reached the age of 40 that he began to 'truly understand'. > > To me, these tell me that you dont need grand uniforms or titles. You dont > need hundreds of followers who bow before you and address you as Master. After > many years of solid training, you will always have more to learn and further > to go along your journey in 'the Way'. > > To call oneself an 'Expert' in the Martial arts to me would be arrogant and > egotistical. NOT what Martial arts are about. > > Myself, I am an instructor of FMA, yes, but I am also an Eternal Student of > 'the Way'. Something I will be till the day I die. And when I do die, I would > hope it would not be lying in my bed, but standing on the mats of the Dojo. > Training till my last breath, falling like some aged tree finally succumbing > against its will to time and the elements. > > Peace, > Scott > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. 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