Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #132 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Testing your art (B Katz) 2. Re: Testing your art (neercsemantwelve@aol.com) 3. Re: Testing your art (jay de leon) 4. Re: Testing your art (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I completely agree! We are hard on each other in our club. If someone isnt reaching for the jow or ibuprofen by the end of class... we probably didn't have class! --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 3:49 PM Just fight.  Hard contact.  No pads.  No gloves.  But with a very good and welll trained partner that you can trust to not break your skull open if you make a dumb mistake.  A controlled rap on the skull or hand, as opposed to a crushing blow will show what would have happened had your opponent not been such a good friend with good control.  imho Ray On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Federico Malibago wrote: > The list has been slow of late, and while Im usually a lurker, I figured Id post if only to get the discussion back going.  Anyways, simple question, how do you test your art?  What does it mean to test your art in a Filipino Martial Arts context?  What is your relationship to the art when you test it, is it yours? > > Anyways, looking forward to some interesting discussion. > > As for my answer, fight, fight, mine. > > Sincerely poking the bear with a very tiny stick, _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:52:52 -0400 From: neercsemantwelve@aol.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ''Just fight.? Hard contact.? No pads.? No gloves.? But with a very good and welll trained partner that you can trust to not break your skull open if you make a dumb mistake.? A controlled rap on the skull or hand, as opposed to a crushing blow will show what would have happened had your opponent not been such a good friend with good control.? imho'' hard contact, but controlled? no pads, no gloves? i wonder if you've done this type of training yourself because this is pretty difficult. no gloves or pads? hopefully you are using a soft stick but still at least protecting your eyes. hard contact,but contolled. how is that possible with rattan or something harder. i think good hard sparring/fighting is imperitive to test your art, but safety is paramount so training and sparring can continue. Francisco -----Original Message----- From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:04 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art I completely agree! We are hard on each other in our club. If someone isnt reaching for the jow or ibuprofen by the end of class... we probably didn't have class! --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 3:49 PM Just fight.? Hard contact.? No pads.? No gloves.? But with a very good and welll trained partner that you can trust to not break your skull open if you make a dumb mistake.? A controlled rap on the skull or hand, as opposed to a crushing blow will show what would have happened had your opponent not been such a good friend with good control.? imho Ray On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Federico Malibago wrote: > The list has been slow of late, and while Im usually a lurker, I figured Id post if only to get the discussion back going.? Anyways, simple question, how do you test your art?? What does it mean to test your art in a Filipino Martial Arts context?? What is your relationship to the art when you test it, is it yours? > > Anyways, looking forward to some interesting discussion. > > As for my answer, fight, fight, mine. > > Sincerely poking the bear with a very tiny stick, _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i have done what ray describes.  we would use slightly thinner, lighter rattan.  much of it was mental control.  you probably hit at 70% strength and speed, and we mutually avoided dangerous strikes like pokes to the eyes or throat.    if you want a "tamer" training, limit hits to hands, arms and legs.   remember that the idea is to train, to spar, to interact with a similarly skilled person out to hit you.  you learned the beauty of avoidance, and the futility of a "double kill."   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Sun, 6/28/09, neercsemantwelve@aol.com wrote: From: neercsemantwelve@aol.com Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 12:52 PM ''Just fight.? Hard contact.? No pads.? No gloves.? But with a very good and welll trained partner that you can trust to not break your skull open if you make a dumb mistake.? A controlled rap on the skull or hand, as opposed to a crushing blow will show what would have happened had your opponent not been such a good friend with good control.? imho'' hard contact, but controlled? no pads, no gloves? i wonder if you've done this type of training yourself because this is pretty difficult. no gloves or pads? hopefully you are using a soft stick but still at least protecting your eyes. hard contact,but contolled. how is that possible with rattan or something harder. i think good hard sparring/fighting is imperitive to test your art, but safety is paramount so training and sparring can continue. Francisco -----Original Message----- From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2009 3:04 am Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art I completely agree! We are hard on each other in our club. If someone isnt reaching for the jow or ibuprofen by the end of class... we probably didn't have class! --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Ray wrote: From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 3:49 PM Just fight.? Hard contact.? No pads.? No gloves.? But with a very good and welll trained partner that you can trust to not break your skull open if you make a dumb mistake.? A controlled rap on the skull or hand, as opposed to a crushing blow will show what would have happened had your opponent not been such a good friend with good control.? imho Ray On Jun 24, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Federico Malibago wrote: > The list has been slow of late, and while Im usually a lurker, I figured Id post if only to get the discussion back going.? Anyways, simple question, how do you test your art?? What does it mean to test your art in a Filipino Martial Arts context?? What is your relationship to the art when you test it, is it yours? > > Anyways, looking forward to some interesting discussion. > > As for my answer, fight, fight, mine. > > Sincerely poking the bear with a very tiny stick, _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Testing your art Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:34:48 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yep, we've done it. But you're right about eye protection; racquetball glasses. Sorry to leave that out. Soft sticks may have a place, but not in this type of sparring. Rattan is fine. In our case it isn't something we do/did every class. Once every few months is usually sufficient. Re contact, a similar thing could be said about fists and feet; how is controlled but hard contact possible? Yet we all know that it is. Ray On Jun 28, 2009, at 12:52 PM, neercsemantwelve@aol.com wrote: > hard contact, but controlled? no pads, no gloves? i wonder if you've > done this type of training yourself because this is pretty > difficult. no gloves or pads? hopefully you are using a soft stick > but still at least protecting your eyes. hard contact,but contolled. > how is that possible with rattan or something harder. i think good > hard sparring/fighting is imperitive to test your art, but safety is > paramount so training and sparring can continue. > > Francisco --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest