Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:48:23 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #134 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. San Miguel Eskrima workshop in Greenlawn, N.Y. September 19 (Stephen Lamade) 2. Re: Testing Your Art (Al Sardinas) 3. Re: Re: Testing Your Art (Mr KRS) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Stephen Lamade To: Eskrima Digest Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] San Miguel Eskrima workshop in Greenlawn, N.Y. September 19 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am putting together a workshop with Albert Mendoza of San Diego Doce Pares International on September 19 in Greenlawn, N.Y. Greenlawn is on Long Island, about an hour east of NYC. Albert is a senior instructor for DPMS and has studied San Miguel Eskrima with Cano Canete and Edring Casio. Follow this link to a short clip of Albert practicing with a student. The workshop will be 2-3 hours and the cost is $30. Please email me if you are interested. Space is limited. Best, Steve Lamade lhommedieu@hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:12:42 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Testing Your Art Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Regarding "Testing Your Art" it seems to me that no one here has really has approached the subject correctly. Yes, there has been discussion on hard contact, soft contact, armor, no armor, weapons, no weapons, etc. but in reality no has tested their art. What has been discussed boils down to is the testing of oneself not your art. How well conditioned, how well you perform a drill, how you handle 2 or 3 opponents in an altercation, the outcome is always a measure of yourself not your art. To test your "Art" is to test your art against other systems using the same criteria something similar to the show "Deadliest Warrior" on Spike TV. If someone had the inclination to set up test criteria that the "arts" could be compared to then we would have the means to measure the effectiveness of strikes, blocks, footworks, locks, etc. We could have Babao Arnis vs. Balintawak vs. Doces Pares vs. Inayan System of Eskrima vs. Inosanto Kali vs. Kombatan Arnis vs. Modern Arnis vs. Pananandata vs. Pekiti-Tirsia vs. Sayoc Kali vs. Serrada Escrima and so forth. Or we could do it old school and fight each other. However, in reality neither the modern method or the old school method will help the Philippine Martial Arts. What should be focused on is producing Filipino martial artists who can successfully test their skills against other non-FMA martial art systems. Maybe collectively we can select students that will have the blessings of more than one FMArt to train respectively under more than FMart to represent all FMarts. This has happened before mabe it will happen again. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr KRS Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Testing Your Art To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Al, You raise a good point. Testing your Art and testing yourself may be 2 different things. I guess this boils down to perception but the art and the practitioner can be seen as 2 separate entities. Some may disagree because in the JKD mindset you "become" the art which is more or less the stance I take. The knife is an extension of me, the stick is an extension of me etc. We all know, or should know, there is no such thing as "the best system". At the end of the day it is all based on an individuals own capabilities and limitations. Regards, Karl R Swass Martial Blade Concepts Damithurt Silat Sobadawan Eskrima 4 Powers M.A.T.C “Do not conquer the world with force, for force only causes resistance. Thorns spring up when an army passes. Years of misery follow a great victory. Do only what needs to be done without using violence.” Lao Tsu (Tao Te Ching) ________________________________ From: Al Sardinas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:12:42 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Testing Your Art Regarding "Testing Your Art" it seems to me that no one here has really has approached the subject correctly. Yes, there has been discussion on hard contact, soft contact, armor, no armor, weapons, no weapons, etc. but in reality no has tested their art. What has been discussed boils down to is the testing of oneself not your art. How well conditioned, how well you perform a drill, how you handle 2 or 3 opponents in an altercation, the outcome is always a measure of yourself not your art. To test your "Art" is to test your art against other systems using the same criteria something similar to the show "Deadliest Warrior" on Spike TV. If someone had the inclination to set up test criteria that the "arts" could be compared to then we would have the means to measure the effectiveness of strikes, blocks, footworks, locks, etc. We could have Babao Arnis vs. Balintawak vs. Doces Pares vs. Inayan System of Eskrima vs. Inosanto Kali vs. Kombatan Arnis vs. Modern Arnis vs. Pananandata vs. Pekiti-Tirsia vs. Sayoc Kali vs. Serrada Escrima and so forth. Or we could do it old school and fight each other. However, in reality neither the modern method or the old school method will help the Philippine Martial Arts. What should be focused on is producing Filipino martial artists who can successfully test their skills against other non-FMA martial art systems. Maybe collectively we can select students that will have the blessings of more than one FMArt to train respectively under more than FMart to represent all FMarts. This has happened before mabe it will happen again. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of the Garimot System of Arnis _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest