Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:48:21 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #143 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos, and Testing one's Art! (jorge penafiel) 2. forever student (Kendal Coats) 3. Back to FMA (Federico Malibago) 4. Re: Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos - reply to jorge p. (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos, and Testing one's Art! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All,,,welcome back Jay de Leon, Happy 4'th of July, and enjoy the "Fireworks"!! OK,, ok,,thus far, all that have been said and presented regards "Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos, testing one's Art"are well taken and are great points to put to mind. Consensus though and is relevant as well , is that same with all things around us, there's always two sides of the coin and or in our lingo,, the"Yen and Yang". Thus, within the Martial Arts Community, we have by all accounts or whatever superior Martial Arts Instructors, Fighters, Students, and Dojos as opposed to the Crappy and Lousy of the same persona and place. In as much as we desire to weed this predicament, it exists and just a fact of life. What then is there to rid of this situation? Nothing Really? Simply a truth to the matter, without them guys/places, we have nothing to base or compare our Martial Arts. Right or a maybe not an argument? All of us will then be just too good and same - kind of a missed norn or can't happen in a way?? Really,,,there's no such scenario specially in the competitive martial arts invironment. Though a torn in our rib,,,it has it's rightful role and place of it's own. For comparrison by all accounts. What gets us all often, is these said Crappy Instructors and Mcdojos have more students! No Kidding... We wondered what the heck? Could be perhaps that they're nicer people, better operated dojos and ambiance, aside many other factors that influence their success? Goes to show,,,,,that would be martial arts students, most of them predominantly are simply looking for an activity or whatever that are at their own liking, preference, and mentality. Some really doesn't care or are soured-out with this so called "Warrior" mentality or training regimen?? In as much as most of our students are young/er, no parent see's this martial arts approach right for their children. With men maybe 1 in 5 loves to just Fight/Fight/Fight,and usually an exception or a problem. Oh well - just the same, enjoy your Arts and live with other things that it has to offer...... jorge penafiel --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kendal Coats To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] forever student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I like this term "forever student" for that is what it is to be a martial artist. If you think you know everything your ego is way out of check. Every true Grandmaster that I have met are still students of the arts. Their arts are continually being refined, changing, evolving. What they teach now is not what they were teaching 5 years ago. In order to grow you must continue to learn, and if your not growing then you are surely dead. The true test is one of yourself, not of your art, your defense skill, or how you fight. This is the "real" teaching of the martial arts. Its not about techniques or fights. Its about the internal victories against yourself. ALWAYS BE A STUDENT.Ma Bu Hay --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:08:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Federico Malibago To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Back to FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ok, realized I am guilty of sidetracking the very thread I started about testin the art, but figure it did bring some opinions on matters out there. So how does feelings about crappy instructors, and the whole what is crappy, what is alright fit with FMA. How do you feel about McScrima and the McGuro? Spreading the art so that people at least will have the bug to look for more of it one day? Something for everyone, e.g. some people like knitting, watching pro-sports, others like McScrima? Something non-existant, because no single day can you really tell if they are McScrima, only after many years, millions of tests (in various forms, from fighting in tourneys, the occaisional life or death fight, etc...), a few mathematical equations, you may have a guess? Damaging to the art because then everyone thinks of FMA as McScrima or my favorite Eskrima sticks (e.g. the eskrima stick form in the karate tourney, or I know how to fight with Eskrima stick said in the same paragraph as bo, sai, tonfa, etc...)? Food for the art, gives your guys people to pad their records on when fighting in tourneys? Immaterial, you do your thing, they do theres, I could care less about what other people do? Part of the journey, e.g. everyone has to know the bad before they can know the good? Anyways, hope everyone has a fun happy fourth Sincerely Federico Malibago --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos - reply to jorge p. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net kuya jorge:   thanks for the welcome back, although nobody probably noticed or much less cared i was gone for almost a month and half, traipsing in the phil.   i will write my usual article about my trip, called "philippine odyssey 2009" replete with pictures, including those of your buddies mert altares, van fuentes (talibung antike) and shorin-ryu kyoshi ranie henson.  ranie henson was my PHICKAJU chief instructor way back in the early 70's, and was on the same level or batch as roberto and rolando gonzalez, johnny carranza (RIP), and others.  abangan!   i have written about this before.  i do not consider the term mcdojo's as derogatory, no more than i would consider mcdonald's as derogatory.  they both serve a purpose.   some mcdojo's actually have commendable kids' classes.  yes, it is more of an after-school care, but how much martial arts can you really teach a 4-year old little ninja?  also, many out-of-shape executives join their children there--better than drinking beer and falling asleep in front of the TV, not to mention soccer moms, in this case, martial arts moms.   i have taught and done demos at many a mcdojo. especially after seeing our demos, i do not think many of the students there have any illusions about their skill levels.  at one mcdojo, one owner slickly explained to the students that we handle weapons all the time, while they do not "specialize" in weapons.  what, you expect to be attacked in the street with a ham sandwich?   i believe it was mike casto who made a similar point. not everyone wants to be bruce lee.  most do not want to make that effort to be a bruce lee.  many at mcdojo's get complacent, happy with the light or even non-contact, with the family atmosphere, etc.  maybe at one point, they will move to a tougher (real) school.  for now, though, that is their comfort zone.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com   --- On Sat, 7/4/09, jorge penafiel wrote: From: jorge penafiel Subject: [Eskrima] Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos, and Testing one's Art! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 9:54 AM Greetings All,,,welcome back Jay de Leon, Happy 4'th of July, and enjoy the "Fireworks"!! OK,, ok,,thus far, all that have been said and presented regards "Crappy Instructors, Mcdojos, testing one's Art"are well taken and are great points to put to mind. Consensus though and is relevant as well , is that same with all things around us, there's always two sides of the coin and or in our lingo,, the"Yen and Yang".  Thus, within the Martial Arts Community, we have by all accounts or whatever superior  Martial Arts Instructors, Fighters, Students, and Dojos as opposed to the Crappy and Lousy of the same persona and place. In as much as we desire to weed this predicament, it exists and just a fact of life. What then is there to rid of this situation?  Nothing Really? Simply a truth to the matter, without them guys/places, we have nothing to base or compare our Martial Arts. Right or a maybe not an argument?  All of us will then be just too good and same - kind of a missed norn or can't happen in a way?? Really,,,there's no such scenario specially in the competitive martial arts invironment. Though a torn in our rib,,,it has it's rightful role and place of it's own. For comparrison by all accounts. What gets us all often,  is these said Crappy Instructors and Mcdojos have more students!  No Kidding... We wondered what the heck?  Could be perhaps that they're nicer people, better operated dojos and ambiance, aside many other factors that influence their success?  Goes to show,,,,,that would be martial arts students, most of them predominantly are simply looking for an activity or whatever that are at their own liking, preference, and mentality. Some really doesn't care or are soured-out with this so called "Warrior" mentality or training regimen?? In as much as most of our students are young/er, no parent see's this martial arts approach right for their children. With men maybe 1 in 5 loves to just Fight/Fight/Fight,and usually an exception or a problem. Oh well - just the same, enjoy your Arts and live with other things that it has to offer...... jorge penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest