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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Weapons and legislation (and fruit) (iPat) 2. Re: Weapons and legislation (and fruit) (jhfischer@fuse.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:54:48 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Weapons and legislation (and fruit) From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I once chased off people breaking into my car with rattan in my hand. I dont think they saw the rattan. The fact that i was naked probably had more to do with it. Bananas are dangerous maybe? I can still sleep in the raw knowing that by the time any break in has survived potential drowning from the over enthusiastic welcome of my dog, i'd have showered and changed and found amongst the mess in the bedroom one of a selection of weapons that no doubt would have me in trouble with the mrs. Just because something is legislated against doesnt mean you cant have it, although if you are stupid enough to allow yourself into the situation where you need to use it, explaining it might prove to be difficult. I like the selection of pens i currently carry [Ray that is a pen in that picture on my blog not a cigar] but since i'm observant to my surroundings i simply don't get into situations where i need to write on anyone. I dont go swimming in shark infested waters or walk onto the road without looking. With that in mind and with good observational skills, whats the need to be overly armed with a banana or two? Before anyone says "but", we know what comes out of butt dont we..... A caveat to that is travelling to foreign destinations where I do not know the local culture. Certain parts of Europe are historically reknown for the potential of stabbing. As one who occasionally goes to football matches in various parts of Europe, with the understanding that the media hype and stereotyping may make me a target for some idiot thinking they have to defend their colours, I recognise that certain parts of Europe are more risky that others. I make my comments based on the fact that i've faced a knife or two, bats and bars. My head isn't in the sand bucket. I have Standard Operating Procedures at my place of work in the case of fire and i know how to work a fire extinguisher, but i dont sit in a flame retardent suit all day. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Julian Gilmour wrote: > Secondly, in all seriousness, I am aware of the use of other incidental > weapons that you mention, and indeed have trained several of them, and not > just with videos (I have trained with Guro Inosanto, Sifu Marc McFann and > Tuhon Bill McGrath). If I lived in the states, I would certainly be > considering firearms for protection, but I don't. I do own a barong (albeit a > fairly blunt one, for finger retention) but my prefered option for a break-in > would be olisi, and my bedroom has very easy access to both rattan and > kamagong. -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk http://twitter.com/ipat23 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:24:33 -0400 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Weapons and legislation (and fruit) Cc: iPat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey iPat, I hope I’m not mis understanding the conversation and know I’m coming in on the end of this .Are you implying that you should not have to arm yourself and to just be more vigilant in your observations.That is like saying I think I’m going to be in a car wreck ....so I’m going to wear my seat belt today.I don’t know where you live ,but in today's hyper violent crimes that acure a piece of wood or a shiny pointy thing will not detour someone with a firearm or multiple firearms in a altered state of mind .Before you say ...oh here is another gun nut ,I will tell you that I have over twenty years in Martial combative's, ten years of which are in FMA styles. As far as having things that have been Legislated against, you are missing the point .Once something has been written into law it can be enforced and taken away It is a short trip from that too oppression.We have a 2nd amendment for just that and is written in to protect are right to bare arms.It is constantly being attack and whittled away at,but it is still intact I cant even conceive the thinking that because the government says I cant have something for my own good ,that that is good enough and" Ill just get one and hide it away because I’m to smart to put myself in a bad situation ".I hope that kind of thinking is not infectious .....at least in the USA anyway. STAY LOW AND CHECK 360 JOHN --- iPat wrote: > I once chased off people breaking into my car with rattan in my hand. > I dont think they saw the rattan. The fact that i was naked probably > had more to do with it. Bananas are dangerous maybe? > > I can still sleep in the raw knowing that by the time any break in has > survived potential drowning from the over enthusiastic welcome of my > dog, i'd have showered and changed and found amongst the mess in the > bedroom one of a selection of weapons that no doubt would have me in > trouble with the mrs. > > Just because something is legislated against doesnt mean you cant have > it, although if you are stupid enough to allow yourself into the > situation where you need to use it, explaining it might prove to be > difficult. > > I like the selection of pens i currently carry [Ray that is a pen in > that picture on my blog not a cigar] but since i'm observant to my > surroundings i simply don't get into situations where i need to write > on anyone. > > I dont go swimming in shark infested waters or walk onto the road > without looking. With that in mind and with good observational skills, > whats the need to be overly armed with a banana or two? Before anyone > says "but", we know what comes out of butt dont we..... > > A caveat to that is travelling to foreign destinations where I do not > know the local culture. Certain parts of Europe are historically > reknown for the potential of stabbing. As one who occasionally goes to > football matches in various parts of Europe, with the understanding > that the media hype and stereotyping may make me a target for some > idiot thinking they have to defend their colours, I recognise that > certain parts of Europe are more risky that others. > > I make my comments based on the fact that i've faced a knife or two, > bats and bars. My head isn't in the sand bucket. I have Standard > Operating Procedures at my place of work in the case of fire and i > know how to work a fire extinguisher, but i dont sit in a flame > retardent suit all day. > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Julian > Gilmour wrote: > > > Secondly, in all seriousness, I am aware of the use of other incidental > > weapons that you mention, and indeed have trained several of them, and not > > just with videos (I have trained with Guro Inosanto, Sifu Marc McFann and > > Tuhon Bill McGrath). If I lived in the states, I would certainly be > > considering firearms for protection, but I don't. I do own a barong (albeit a > > fairly blunt one, for finger retention) but my prefered option for a break-in > > would be olisi, and my bedroom has very easy access to both rattan and > > kamagong. > > > -- > Pat Davies > www.amag.org.uk > http://twitter.com/ipat23 > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest