Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:48:22 +0200 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #152 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Always a student (RavenSire@aol.com) 2. Re: Always a student (iPat) 3. Re: Always a student (B Light) 4. Re: Weapons and legislation (and fruit) (iPat) 5. Legal Weapons in Europe (beikokufighter@gmail.com) 6. Re: Legal Weapons in Europe (iPat) 7. workshop in London (Eskrima-FMA) 8. Re: Legal Weapons in Europe (beikokufighter@gmail.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:46:02 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Always a student To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello all, havent been around due to health issues. I am slowly practicing again. I started learning Martial Arts in 1968 in New York's Chinatown. After receiving my Godan (5th Dan) rank in Shoto-Ryu Karate-Budo from Japan in 2000, I was given the title Shihan (Teacher of Men or here in the states: Master). Before my Japanese Sensei died in 1980 we had many conversations about Bushido (The Warrior Man's Way). At that point our organization didn't have female students yet. However, His philosophy was simple... He never allowed anyone to call him Shihan, always just Sensei. I asked him about this and he explained it to me. The word Sensei actually means: He who was there before me or you, Not teacher as we all thought. With that he said: You see Raymond-san, I am not the Master, But The Master Student. After his passing I took over that rough and tumble Dojo in New York City. I've lived in Florida for 27 Years since leaving NYC. I don't teach anymore, but till this day I don't allow my old students to call me Shihan as some of them call themselves. The man who taught my uncle Eskrima was called Mr. Maldonado. They had been friends since meeting in the Filipines during WW2. When I met him in the early 1970's in New York City he wasn't a young man. After begging him to teach me and working in his Bodega (a latin word for small grocery store) he agreed to teach me a little since he knew my uncle had already started the process. I asked him what I should call him. He said: Mr. Maldonado. I said: But you're the teacher! He answered: I am a Student with more experience, That's all. Your teacher will be your first fight. In that neighborhood I had many teachers. Two men from different backgrounds who knew that the title wasn't as important as what you can do, never losing site of their humbleness, Yet tigers in their own right. I enjoy reading all your comments on everything. It has kept me strong at times when I thought weakness would take over. Practive hard to save yourselves, your family and friends, and the world if need be. Imagine that... Who saved the world? All the Students! Peace, RA! **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:57:13 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Always a student From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Good for you you'll get there, dont let anyone tell you otherwise! On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:46 AM, wrote: > hello all, > havent been around due to health issues. > I am slowly practicing again. > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk http://twitter.com/ipat23 --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: B Light Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Always a student To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Beautifully said! Thank you sir! Beki ________________________________ From: "RavenSire@aol.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:46:02 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Always a student hello all, havent been around due to health issues. I am slowly practicing again. I started learning Martial Arts in 1968 in New York's Chinatown. After receiving my Godan (5th Dan) rank in Shoto-Ryu Karate-Budo from Japan in 2000, I was given the title Shihan (Teacher of Men or here in the states: Master). Before my Japanese Sensei died in 1980 we had many conversations about Bushido (The Warrior Man's Way). At that point our organization didn't have female students yet. However, His philosophy was simple... He never allowed anyone to call him Shihan, always just Sensei. I asked him about this and he explained it to me. The word Sensei actually means: He who was there before me or you, Not teacher as we all thought. With that he said: You see Raymond-san, I am not the Master, But The Master Student. After his passing I took over that rough and tumble Dojo in New York City. I've lived in Florida for 27 Years since leaving NYC. I don't teach anymore, but till this day I don't allow my old students to call me Shihan as some of them call themselves. The man who taught my uncle Eskrima was called Mr. Maldonado. They had been friends since meeting in the Filipines during WW2. When I met him in the early 1970's in New York City he wasn't a young man. After begging him to teach me and working in his Bodega (a latin word for small grocery store) he agreed to teach me a little since he knew my uncle had already started the process. I asked him what I should call him. He said: Mr. Maldonado. I said: But you're the teacher! He answered: I am a Student with more experience, That's all. Your teacher will be your first fight. In that neighborhood I had many teachers. Two men from different backgrounds who knew that the title wasn't as important as what you can do, never losing site of their humbleness, Yet tigers in their own right. I enjoy reading all your comments on everything. It has kept me strong at times when I thought weakness would take over. Practive hard to save yourselves, your family and friends, and the world if need be. Imagine that... Who saved the world? All the Students! Peace, RA! **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:55:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Weapons and legislation (and fruit) From: iPat To: jhfischer@fuse.net Cc: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi John On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, wrote: > Hey iPat, >     I hope Im not mis understanding the conversation and know Im coming in on the end of this .Are you implying >that you should not have to arm yourself and just be more vidulent in your obsrevations. Not what i said at all. I simply made the point that there are many inconsistencies with the armed argument and made a fun comparison as to having a weapon in the bedroom when you sleep naked. if you have the weapon beside your bed then why sleep in the raw? you may not, you may like to wear combat clothing to sleep in {joking} I do say that observation or 'walking commentary' as I refer to it will stop you getting into situations where you become vulnerable. Some people train to defend from when they are being grabbed from behind. Why have you let someone get in behind you to compromise you. Why are training people in the negative? >That is like saying I think Im going to be in a car wreck ....so Im going to wear my seat belt today. Not at all. SOP's (standard operating procedures) are used to mitigate risk. I'm all about taking responsibility for myself and also taking responsibility for the consequences of ones actions. Throw a stone into a pond and there will be ripples. As a young man i never understood that and thats why i think it's dangerous and irresponsible to simply advocate that being armed is a solution. It can be a false sence of security. [Did Marc McYoung not refer to Peyton Quinn's quote that his act of teaching defensive techniques as "being nice to the victims"?] Simply allowing people to be armed doesnt mean they are aware of the consequences and you only have to look at certain military hospitals to see the impact it can have on someone when they take a life. One size doesn't fit all. Ripples in the pond. >I dont know where you live but in todays hyper violent crimes that acure a piece of wood or a shiny pointy thing will not deture someone with a firearm or multipul firearmsi in a alturd state of mind .Before you say ...oh here is another gun nut ,I will tell you that I have over twenty years in  Martial combatives, ten years of which are in FMA styles. John, are the hyper violent crimes of today witnessed by you or sensationalised in wall to wall press coverage? My granny, before she died, wouldn't leave the house because of the fear of being attacked. Not that she knew anyone or had been herself attacked but it was in the papers you see. Perceived threat and actual threat are different things as you are no doubt aware. Anyway, that's not what i said or inferred. I was speaking to friends the other day about when we were young and into bands and the amount of violence there used to be at concerts. We were under the impression, here at least in the UK, that the youth of today have violence but to a lesser amount than in the late 70's and 80's. The argument around that is for another time, but I am not saying that there is no violence just that the vast majority of that is really around young men between the ages of 15 to 25. As a MA school owner, i have had my fair share of deluded come in expecting to be able to be like a Bruce Lee in a couple of weeks. Then i see the ones who want to test their art as I did at their age. For sure, i lived in some rough places and was armed at times and have some scars to show for it, luckily thats all. But i also saw 'black belts' freeze when the proverbial hit the fan and i have seen weapons taken off people and used against them. So I disagree that the solution is simple arming of people to stop crime, because the term people encompasses so many different types it cant be a one fits all solution. Using the previous example of the fire drill, i know where the fire extinguisher is but i dont carry it around with me all day. there may be a time when i cant get to it when i need it but by proper risk management i mitigate that risk to an unlikely occurrence. I used not to be able to go out to clubs because i was in a heightened state of alertness that i reacted to every threat. Now i can go in, check where the escape routes are, make sure we place ourselves in a good position to not get ambushed and i can relax and enjoy my company. Choosing places where you know theres less likelihood of trouble means ive taken precautions to mitigate risk and the chances of a homicidal maniac interupting us for an autograph are so small that you'd be more worried about a fly buzzing around your face. >                          As far as having things that that have been Legislated against you are missing the point .Once somthing has been written into law it can be inforced and taken away It is a short trip from that to oppresion.We have a 2nd amendment for just that and is written in to protect are right to bare arms.It is constently being attack and wittled away at,but it is still intack Again, this is something that you have misread into my mail. I don't comment on the US laws - except to wind up ray from time to time - it's not my place. As some older members of this list will know though, as soon as i see (what i interpret as ) a patronising remark about British laws being stupid then i bite at the bit. Each culture is different and thankfully we are richer for that. I start disrespecting your home you'll get pissed and vica versa.... >                            STAY LOW AND CHECK 360   JOHN 360! -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk http://twitter.com/ipat23 --__--__-- Message: 5 To: "Eskrima Digest" From: beikokufighter@gmail.com Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:31:45 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Legal Weapons in Europe Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What are the Euro knife laws. Carrying? In particular Spain, France, Italy, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria & Greece. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:57:59 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Legal Weapons in Europe From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net google will give you a wide range of answers On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM, wrote: > What are the Euro knife laws. Carrying? In particular Spain, France, Italy, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria & Greece. -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk http://twitter.com/ipat23 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:12:59 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] workshop in London Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... KULTURA workshop in London (Drama, Martial Art and Dance) FREE ADMISSION! Hello Londoners and non-Londoners alike, Just a quick reminder that Philippine Generations is now booking places for KULTURA - a one time event where everyone is welcome to taste test a bit of filipino culture here in London. Starting at 1.00pm on 25 July at Asia House, three workshops (dance, martial arts and drama) will take place in one day and shall take all participants through a fun and educational cultural ride. You don't have to be Filipino to attend! But of course, if you are filipino, come by and spend time with some of your "kababayans." To book now contact: philippinegenerations@gmail.com Mae - 0794 045 3226 or Mireille - 0776 367 6702 Directions: Asia House is located in the heart of the west end of London, north west of Oxford Circus and not far from Regents Park. By tube Oxford Circus, Regents Park or Great Portland Street. By car There are limited public parking in the streets surrounding Asia House (free at the weekends and after 18.30). But Asia house is located close to several NCP parking locations. Buses 453 & 88 (from oxford circus bus stop RD towards Marylebone) --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Legal Weapons in Europe To: "Eskrima Digest" From: beikokufighter@gmail.com Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:17:56 +0000 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I've done that. I want the truth. Even here in Calif its a lot of work to get to the truth. . ------Original Message------ From: iPat To: Eskrima Digest ReplyTo: Eskrima Digest Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Legal Weapons in Europe Sent: Jul 14, 2009 12:57 PM google will give you a wide range of answers On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM, wrote: > What are the Euro knife laws. Carrying? In particular Spain, France, Italy, Croatia, Slovenia, Austria & Greece. -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk http://twitter.com/ipat23 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest