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Re: Weapons and legislation (and fruit) (jhfischer@fuse.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:17:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: always a student Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I had to chime in on this topic, since it reminds me of the first time I met Larry Hartsell at Fred Degerberg's Chicago Academy back in 1981.  Dan Inosanto and Richard Bustillo were teaching a seminar at Fred's that weekend, and Larry came up from North Carolina to attend.  We all camped out in the school that weekend, Larry among us in Fred's huge school camping out for the night.  I got to know Karry that weekend a bit, mostly since we were in the school overnight, but also since I approached him and struck up a conversation with him over various subjects about JKD, and James Lee's and Bruce Lee's time in Oakland in particular.  Larry was around for a lot of training sessions between James and Bruce, and was kind enough to share his experiences with me.  I got to train and talk with Larry a lot that weekend, and what struck me about him the most, even beyond the awesome skill he possessed, was the man's incredible humility.  During one of our many conversations, Larry inquired about my background.  When I told him I was a long time Inayan Serrada player, he became quite excited, telling me that Serrada was something that he was very interested in, and he began quizzing me about many of Serrada Eskrima's finer points.  He even asked me to write down a diagram of our 12-angle striking system, and had me go over each angle with him.  He then carefully folded up the diagram I had drawn for him, put it away for safe keeping, and asked me if I'd be interested in coming out to visit him in NC and teach him Serrada!  I was absolutely blown away...here was a man who was light years ahead of me in knowledge and skill, who was considered the premier fighter in JKD circles, and he was asking me for help in learning something new.  I was stunned, humbled, but also enlightened.  I realized why Larry was the man he was...he never let any of his training go to his head, which he most certainly could have (I mean, the man did have an incredibly impressive lineage).  But, he didn't allow himself to become complacent; he was the perpetual student, always hungry for more knowledge, always willing to place himself in the student role, and realized that the journey is never ending.  I had always held Larry Hartsell in high esteem before then, but that weekend my respect for him as a martial artist and as a man grew immensely.  He became the model of the martial artist that I aspire to be to this day.  To sum it up, I had a copy of Dan Inosanto's book on Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do with me that weekend, and I asked Larry to sign it for me.  He kind of looked at me like, what was I asking him for?  I told him that he was an extremely important part of JKD history, and that I had been reading about him for years, and meeting him and getting to know him a little bit had meant a lot to me.  He agreed to an autograph, and the message he wrote in my book said it all about the man and his character.  He signed my book as following..."To Kim,  thanks for asking me, but I owe it all to Bruce and Dan"  Thank you, Larry Hartsell." Larry Hartsell, may he rest in peace, was a person and artist that we can all aspire to emulate. Kim Satterfield Forever Student        "You must be the change you want to see in the world". Mohandas "Mahatma" Gandhi --__--__-- Message: 2 From: RavenSire@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:31:47 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: always a student To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ...very cool indeed. -RA! **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 2:17:47 -0400 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Weapons and legislation (and fruit) Cc: iPat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net -Hi back iPat , sleeping with out commando clothing is my back up plan. If I were to have a malfunction ,I could always make them laugh into submission .:o) I agree with you a 100 percent on developing observation skills . what techniques have you developed or trained in to enhance this very important skill ? Could not your S.O.P. be to carry your firearm all the time to mitigate your risk ? I’m not advocating that just being armed is enough.To be armed and trained is the objective .That is like saying just because I have a race car ....I’m a race car driver. Also as I stated ,I don’t think that it is the government right to interject there interpretation of the second amendment right as they see fit . You said that "simple allowing people to be armed that they are not aware of the consequences. Who is alowing this ? It should be your right ....in any country you live in .In the USA to carry a firearm on your person in public it is required to have a background check and basic firearm instruction ,I will admit its not B.U.D.'s training and basic in nature ....never the less its training As far as looking at a hospital you could say the same thing about the car wreck analogy I gave earlier sure there are far more injury's in car wrecks than firearms .People aren’t aware of getting in a car and not wearing a seat belt will kill you ,but they do it any way . You said that most violence acures in young men between the age of 15 and 25 and that you disagree with arming people because people is such a broad term .I guess my view point is different on that to .I haven’t seen any age difference in violent activities and as far as arming people ,how is that to broad of a term .I could state case after case of young children coming to the rescue of their mothers and 87 year old grandmothers holding a home invader at gun point until the police arived.So ....I ask you again who is to say who can and cannot arm themselves....you ,the government .....any government. How much training do you think these people had ?THe answer is probably not that much ,but they had the choice to arm themselves and exercised that right .....and that is the difference sir. If I have miss understood statements in your post then I respectful apologize .I do not know UK laws and do not profess to be a scholar at all US law either .How ever I to bite at the bit when I hear what I think to be a infringement on my constitutional rights and statement made to that accord.I guess lets agree to disagree ....Hell I may even come visit you guys over there someday ;) --- iPat wrote: > hi John > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, wrote: > > Hey iPat, > >     I hope Im not mis understanding the conversation and know Im coming in > on the end of this .Are you implying >that you should not have to arm yourself > and just be more vidulent in your obsrevations. > > Not what i said at all. I simply made the point that there are many > inconsistencies with the armed argument and made a fun comparison as > to having a weapon in the bedroom when you sleep naked. if you have > the weapon beside your bed then why sleep in the raw? you may not, you > may like to wear combat clothing to sleep in {joking} > > I do say that observation or 'walking commentary' as I refer to it > will stop you getting into situations where you become vulnerable. > Some people train to defend from when they are being grabbed from > behind. Why have you let someone get in behind you to compromise you. > Why are training people in the negative? > > > >That is like saying I think Im going to be in a car wreck ....so Im going to > wear my seat belt today. > > Not at all. SOP's (standard operating procedures) are used to mitigate risk. > > I'm all about taking responsibility for myself and also taking > responsibility for the consequences of ones actions. Throw a stone > into a pond and there will be ripples. As a young man i never > understood that and thats why i think it's dangerous and irresponsible > to simply advocate that being armed is a solution. It can be a false > sence of security. [Did Marc McYoung not refer to Peyton Quinn's quote > that his act of teaching defensive techniques as "being nice to the > victims"?] > > Simply allowing people to be armed doesnt mean they are aware of the > consequences and you only have to look at certain military hospitals > to see the impact it can have on someone when they take a life. > > One size doesn't fit all. Ripples in the pond. > > >I dont know where you live but in todays hyper violent crimes that acure a > piece of wood or a shiny pointy thing will not deture someone with a firearm > or multipul firearmsi in a alturd state of mind .Before you say ...oh here is > another gun nut ,I will tell you that I have over twenty years in  Martial > combatives, ten years of which are in FMA styles. > > John, are the hyper violent crimes of today witnessed by you or > sensationalised in wall to wall press coverage? My granny, before she > died, wouldn't leave the house because of the fear of being attacked. > Not that she knew anyone or had been herself attacked but it was in > the papers you see. Perceived threat and actual threat are different > things as you are no doubt aware. > > Anyway, that's not what i said or inferred. > > I was speaking to friends the other day about when we were young and > into bands and the amount of violence there used to be at concerts. We > were under the impression, here at least in the UK, that the youth of > today have violence but to a lesser amount than in the late 70's and > 80's. The argument around that is for another time, but I am not > saying that there is no violence just that the vast majority of that > is really around young men between the ages of 15 to 25. > > As a MA school owner, i have had my fair share of deluded come in > expecting to be able to be like a Bruce Lee in a couple of weeks. Then > i see the ones who want to test their art as I did at their age. For > sure, i lived in some rough places and was armed at times and have > some scars to show for it, luckily thats all. But i also saw 'black > belts' freeze when the proverbial hit the fan and i have seen weapons > taken off people and used against them. > > So I disagree that the solution is simple arming of people to stop > crime, because the term people encompasses so many different types it > cant be a one fits all solution. Using the previous example of the > fire drill, i know where the fire extinguisher is but i dont carry it > around with me all day. there may be a time when i cant get to it when > i need it but by proper risk management i mitigate that risk to an > unlikely occurrence. > > I used not to be able to go out to clubs because i was in a heightened > state of alertness that i reacted to every threat. Now i can go in, > check where the escape routes are, make sure we place ourselves in a > good position to not get ambushed and i can relax and enjoy my > company. Choosing places where you know theres less likelihood of > trouble means ive taken precautions to mitigate risk and the chances > of a homicidal maniac interupting us for an autograph are so small > that you'd be more worried about a fly buzzing around your face. > > >                          As far as having things that that have been > Legislated against you are missing the point .Once somthing has been written > into law it can be inforced and taken away It is a short trip from that to > oppresion.We have a 2nd amendment for just that and is written in to protect > are right to bare arms.It is constently being attack and wittled away at,but > it is still intack > > Again, this is something that you have misread into my mail. I don't > comment on the US laws - except to wind up ray from time to time - > it's not my place. As some older members of this list will know > though, as soon as i see (what i interpret as ) a patronising remark > about British laws being stupid then i bite at the bit. Each culture > is different and thankfully we are richer for that. I start > disrespecting your home you'll get pissed and vica versa.... > > > > > > >                            STAY LOW AND CHECK 360   JOHN > > 360! > > -- > Pat Davies > www.amag.org.uk > http://twitter.com/ipat23 > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest