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From eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net Sat Jul 25 17:28:53 2009 Return-Path: Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (tarsus.bollow.ch [82.195.230.222]) by plus11.host4u.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id n6PMSqT05803 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:28:52 -0500 Received: from tarsus.bollow.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tarsus.bollow.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAA0B2829E; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 02:48:22 +0200 Message-ID: <20090726004822.24132.25693.Mailman@tarsus.bollow.ch> From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #162 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Gun Argument (iPat) 2. Re: Training in the PI verses training in the West! (jorge penafiel) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:58:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Gun Argument From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi Ste, hope you are well. > >  If the ban was successful, that > figure would be zero right? > I dont think the ban was aimed at criminals although it did stop one source of supply. I think if we looked at suicides by gun then they might have been reduced, but if anyone thought it would stop criminals then they were misguided. I don't think that was the aim of the ban myself. A car accident costs the country one million GBP. So there are many efforts to restrict accidents and as a keen motorcyclist I fear for the zealots in that area. The cost of life is too expensive compared to some third world and i have no doubt that played a part in the consideration. > > You are right that the illegal weapons in the UK came from the Eastern Bloc > countries.  However they are still here. > > > > I must say that your implication that shooting was a class thing is wide of > the mark.  Perhaps in your part of the world.  In our club there certainly > were a number of middle - upper class people, and they certainly outnumbered > us working class people.  But my father worked bloody hard on motorway > maintenance, he hardly drank, never smoked and instead spent his hard earned > money on me, my brother and keeping us out of trouble.  By the same token, > martial arts could be seen as a class thing. > If you read the sentence i wrote i certainly accepted that may not be the case in your part of the world, but it was my experience. Can also agree with your reference with MA participation. Depends on the area. -- -- Pat Davies To discuss freedom is the first step towards denying it. Freedom cannot be prescribed, cannot be defined and cannot be conditional, for when it is any of these, it ceases to be freedom. Freedom is not open to discussion. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Training in the PI verses training in the West! Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:47:08 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings All !! Yup GREAT Thread/noteworthy points said about FMA Training in PI vs the West!! Specially picked Kapatid Maurice G. posts #1 & 2 as having the most candid coverage and comprehensive write up about the thread. It just about wisely covered and compared most things about FMA - the country and people, Culture/Norm, the Art and it's multiple Systems, Lineage, Training, Teachers, Ranks, Purpose of venue, Applications, Weaponry to even include the modern firearms, legalities of the Art, and many more. Well done and big applause to you Maurice! You got me nodding and thinking more... Thus my take from the discussion and in imho, no doubt same as with any Martial Systems, guess the "Motherland"of the Art is by far the place to be and has the best to offer for those who seeks. There you go and so off to the Philippines for serious and fun training. Heck, you may even have the chance of a lifetime to "wrestle a Carabao"- lol!! By any chance though, bring Presents (pasalubong as a token of appreciation for having you there and first impression) and only the "Being nice, cordial, respectful, and humble baggage. Don't even bring your school logo or sticks for that matter. All things needed are there for your perusal. See, Pinoys are generally hospitable and nice up until a certain point, then it's big "problema Man" !! Just what my pal Jay de Leon had elucidated, be leary of the unknowns when visiting other places. Usually,,,being nice begits nice returns as well!! My "tres centimos to Jay's dos centimos" to make it a whole sinko centimos!! Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest