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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Key Fobs (kubotans) (Ray) 2. Denzel Washington talks about Dan Inosanto at Comic Con (Ron Balicki) 3. Bone finishing-AKA Burnishing for Finished sticks (Lawrence, Marc J (AS)) 4. Ken Warner's BGG Folder (buz_ed_alias@mac.com) 5. Incidental weapons (Julian Gilmour) 6. The law and the 5th Amendment (Mr Elrik Jundis) 7. Canne de combat (Ruel Apostol) 8. Multiple styles... (James Hudgens) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Key Fobs (kubotans) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:07:25 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can you or Tuhon tell us more about this plastic one? A pic perhaps on a catalog webpage? Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:30 AM, iPat wrote: > I have a plastic style one given to me recently by Tuhon McGrath which > does not pose any issues at security, at least so far. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:49:45 -0700 From: Ron Balicki To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Denzel Washington talks about Dan Inosanto at Comic Con Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Everyone, Here are 2 videos I found one on Hulu and the other on Youtube with Denzel Washington talking about Dan Inosanto at this years Comic-Con. http://www.hulu.com/watch/85702/comic-con-2009-san-diego-denzel-washington---the-book-of-eli http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhJ_eQMAUg Enjoy Ron Balicki -- www.ronbalicki.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:59:00 -0500 From: "Lawrence, Marc J (AS)" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Bone finishing-AKA Burnishing for Finished sticks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To Norm and the Others The term "Bone Finishing" is a woodworking term, My Grandfather said "that the British solders in WW-2 used linseed oil on the their gunstocks of their SMLEs and then rubbed the wood down with a Bone usually from their soup. This was to finish the grain and close it. To finish a rattan stick like Jeff AKA Stickman says it is warm-fresh from the oven, you have brought out the natural oils, it is important that rubbed down with its grain, Rattan's grain is with the length of the stick but crossways will still work like around the nodes. You will get a glossy sheen to come up and the rattan stick will become slick. Burnishing or boning does protect the wood similar to varnishing. I done this will bone, hard wood and smooth stone. I heard of it being done with round smooth metal rod also. Marc Lawrence South Bay Filipino Martial Arts Club [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: buz_ed_alias@mac.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Ken Warner's BGG Folder Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My initial impulse is to dislike Ken Warner's new folder, the BGG. It's a big chunk of knife that, when open, almost feels like a fixed blade due to the heft of its handle. That handle is a funky green and black ring-grained, contoured micarta pair of slabs whose color is not my speed. One slab has a button projecting through it that leaves it looking like a switchblade, though that button instead serves as a liner lock release. Annoyingly, when you push the button to release the blade, the blade gets to about half-folded before you have to release the button lest the folding blade hang up on it, requiring you to back the blade off a bit before you can completely close it. All in all it initially put me in mind of the first time I handled an Al Mar SERE folder and thought "if I'm gonna haul around all this knife it might as well be a fixed blade." Alas, the BGG grew on me. It fills the hand and holds nicely in forward grip, though that right hand grip leaves my index finger uncomfortably close to the lock release button. Reverse grip feels good too, however my palm then covers the button. With that said I tried to engage the release from all the various grip and couldn't do it to the point the lock disengaged. Still, I'm not sure I'd want to test that release under martial circumstances. In either grip a nice wedge protruding off the back end of the knife would allow for an effective hammer blow if a martial need did arise. The 440C convex ground 4 inch blade was shaving sharp out of the box and stayed that way. My youngest son and I spent a week at Scout camp, and the Boy Scouts in their infinite wisdom proscribed sheath knives at this camp, so I spent a week using the BGG for camp chores, as well as beating around the house with it with no discernible wear. Indeed, my experience with Ken Warner knives--I probably own 5 or 6 of 'em--is they all arrive sharp, stay sharp and prove to be a tremendous value. We'll get to the value part in a moment, but first several more complaints about the knife. Both open and closed the blade doesn't lie quite straight between the metal frame. With that said, there's not much play in the blade and it opens and closes smoothly. The thumb stud sits down in a cut out made in the handle and is awkward to get at and open smoothly, though, with its massive handle the pinch and throw method of opening the knife works well. And the nylon sheath is a 50 cent piece of junk. I'm surprised it survived the week in the woods. Still, as I look at the BGG sitting on the coffee table I can almost mistake it for a custom folder. It's got nice lines, fit and finish are generally good, and if you can look past green in the handle the knife as a whole is esthetically pleasing. At a cost of only $59.95, delivered, it's a value you'll have a hard time matching if you're looking for a handful of knife. Warner also offers a similar fixed blade version of the knife, the SSG, at the same price delivered; if I was doing this all over again I'd probably go that way as the BGG is more knife than I like to haul in a folder. You can eyeball Warner's offerings here: http://kenwarnerknives.com/ Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Julian Gilmour To: Escrima Digest Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:08:26 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Incidental weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all Thanks for all the recent input guys. It appears that despite all the differences of opinion we have on the list, on just about every subject, people still come out of the woodwork to be helpful to their MA brothers. Thanks. It appears that potentially innocent items can become a legal issue in the UK, so thanks for that information, Nick Hughes. (BTW Thanks also for the close protection pointers you gave me a while ago. I’m now on the second draft of my novel.) It’s all got me thinking that I need to be extra vigilant for incidental weapons when out and about, as these cannot be perceived as ‘premeditated’. It reminds me of an anecdote from a Bob Spour seminar – A student of his found himself unarmed and being followed by a potential threat down the proverbial dark alley. As the guy following him closed in, he reached up to a wall to grab the only available equaliser – a black cat. The cat was highly alarmed at being grabbed and thrown, but not as surprised as the potential attacker who had the cat stick his claws out and wrap right around his face, like in the film Alien. As he was panicking and struggling to peel the cat off his face, the getaway was easy. Lol. Meow from the void Julian _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mr Elrik Jundis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The law and the 5th Amendment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was catching up with the digest. I enjoyed the thread on Philippines vs. US training. I might add a few cents even though it's an old thread from over the years. Things have changes so it's worth adding few more view points. I noticed the thread on improvised weapons and Crafty's comment about "the intent with which something is carried makes all the difference in many jurisdictions. How to smoothly explain why you have such a thing with you to a curious officer may make all the practical difference in the world." made me think about some videos a former ecrima student who is now a lawyer brought to my attention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&feature=related http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=106698698946&h=GM_yn&u=O2Ih5&ref=nf The videos are entitled "Don't Talk to Cops pt 1 & 2" and are part of the same talk at a law school. It presents some interesting food for thought for American's and those like myself who life under different legal systems. Learning how to talk with possible antagonist and the police are important skills to learn as martial artist and to educate our students. I think this also presents how important it is to not talk. Elrik San Juan, Philippines Fil-Am Expat enjoying the Manila life --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ruel Apostol To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Canne de combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thought of sharing this with you guys. Link courtesy of Master Nols: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTeAaSG_i8 --__--__-- Message: 8 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:24:17 -0400 From: James Hudgens Subject: [Eskrima] Multiple styles... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Back to eskrima.... ?I have a "system" question to those of you who have studied multiple styles: How do you resolve the differences between styles (in your teaching) that invariably occur?? What I mean is, no single style has everything in it, and does everything well.? (an example:? I have been trained in primarily Lameco, but I Love Dekiti Tirsia Serradas' #8 and #11 strike redondos.? I also really like GM Cacoy's style of blocking, which is different from Lameco and DTS Kali, but prefer the stepping of DTS Kali.? - See what I mean?) So, I'm curious how everyone else deals with these structual differences.? Do you ignore them and stay true to one system?? Do you adjust a block or a strike here and there (and have you left your style of origin?) . I'm not trying to start some stuff here...Just curious as to what smarter people than I do about the same situation. Bahala Na, James Hudgens http://dynamicfightingarts.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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