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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Striking power (Michael Koblic) (Marc MacYoung) 2. grip (Gordon Walker) 3. Striking Power (Federico Malibago) 4. Re: power hitting training (Kim Satterfield) 5. Guro Inosanto's first seminar trip to Arkansas (iPat) 6. Grip (Eternal IV) 7. Re: Grip (Tyler Murphy) 8. Re: Grip (Ray) 9. =?windows-1252?Q?C2_=96_FOUNDATION_ELEMENTS_SEMINAR?= (Alex France Sr) 10. Re: Grip (Mike Casto) 11. Re: Grip (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:47:05 -0600 Organization: No Nonsense Self-Defense Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Striking power (Michael Koblic) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Michael Koblic > 1) Why is grip strength important for striking > power? I assume this relates > purely to striking with a closed fist to avoid > power leaks, however, I know > of at least two well-regarded combatives > teachers (as in "combatives is > something you do *to* someone, martial art is > something you do *with* > someone) who deplore striking with the knuckles > of a closed fist. > 2) I have seen fighters demolish a heavy bag yet > in the ring cannot hurt a > fly. What is missing? Is it the specificity of > hitting people? There are > street thugs with proven knock out punches who > never had formal training in > their life. Is it that they learned on the live > target? FWIW I liked to > train on the BOB - the way the punches had to be > delivered were far more > realistic than hitting a bag and IMHO required > different attributes. I'm going to be doing a video on this subject in the near future (this weekend we start shooting on "Arrested For Self-Defense: How Not To Cross The Line"). A lot of people talk about generating more power, but the truth is that's only half of the equation. Of equal, if not greater, importance is what you are doing to stop leaking power (or as I call it, pissing it away). A lot of the problems people have when it comes to delivering power isn't that they don't have the raw force, but that it is being lost through 'shock absorbers,' flex, bad range, bad timing and incorrect body movement. Imagine trying to bail out a sinking boat with a spaghetti strainer and you'll get the idea of how much force is being lost. Instead of trying to get a bigger spaghetti strainer, (more force) try looking into plugging the holes (losing less force). Here's a starting point http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/Power.htm M --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:08:18 -0600 From: Gordon Walker To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] grip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi, my point of grip strength was more to do with holding onto the stick after a power shot...forearm endurance is probably a factor too, say after 2:30 into a 3 minute round. grd --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:04:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Federico Malibago To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Striking Power Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just wanted to clarify, I am not seeking to learn how to generate striking power. Just more or less start a conversation on striking power. Do you train for it, and if so how? I've just happened to have met a number of guys who dont, and make assumptions about it being there without ever working for it, so was wondering how wide spread this attitude is in the FMAs. I guess for myself, it was always hard to understand the logic of this philosophy, and was wondering if you feel you dont need to practice how to hit hard, why? I like analogies, so here is another one. If I learned proper power lifting form, do I assume I can automatically lift incredible amounts of weight at a competition, without actually lifting in practice? At least to me, this is what never hitting, until the match sounds like. Something along the lines of as long as I learn good form I dont need anything more. But never putting that form into practice, more or less to me sounds like someone is hoping that their form is really good. How do you know unless you test? Now on the other hand, is just hitting a tire all you need? I am definitely not advocating this. Like all things there is a balance, and the best hit is the one that connects, etc... However, I just dont see a good strike developing if you hit something once a year, or even once a month. What balance do you strike? Do you work form first, and then hit? Do you hit, while working form? Do you hit hoping form will come? Is striking practice something you do occaisionally just to test, or is it a core component of your practice? I know for myself, I like boxing, and am always amazed by the many hundreds of punches thrown in a round, and the thousands of punches that can easily go into a 12 round workout. I did the math once, and a boxer who trains 5 days a week, for 3 mos, and is fairly busy when he works out (e.g. 12 rounds of fairly constant hitting) will have ammassed easily in the hundreds of thousands of punches thrown. Let alone all the time he spent otherwise working on things like form, defense, strategy, etc... So where do we compare as FMA practioners? Do we settle for 1,000 strikes thrown after 3 mos (1/100 of a decent amateur boxer)? Anyways, just curious. Its always nice to see what the current state of the FMA world is like. Ingat Federico --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: power hitting training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Don't forget to utilize focus mitt drills, top-and-bottom bag drills, and lots of speed bag work when working to develop punching power.  Timing is a key element in learning how to knock someone out.  Remember, you can't hurt what you can't hit, and the ultimate target (a human) doesn't want you to hit them, and will be moving to avoid it.  Power hitting a moving target is way harder than hitting a stationary bag (obviously); you can't "power hit" (I prefer to talk about knockout ability as opposed to just power hitting) without good timing.  Another key element here is footwork, maintaining good hitting range is ultra important. Kim "You must be the change you want to see in the world". Mohandas "Mahatma" Gandhi --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:08:58 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro Inosanto's first seminar trip to Arkansas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net MCFANN’S ACADEMY OF MARTIAL ARTS PROUDLY PRESENTS GURO DAN INOSANTO November 7th & 8th 2009 Contact Marc McFann on ufamcfann@yahoo.com for further details. -- Pat Davies MAMA's Boyz www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Eternal IV To: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 03:39:55 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Grip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wondering where others hold your sticks in regards to the length of the butt of the stick you leave. Ive heard people say one fist length is good, while others leave a two finger space. Respectfully, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger from your Hotmail inbox Web IM has arrived! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Grip To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net " Wondering where others hold your sticks in regards to the length of the butt of the stick you leave. Ive heard people say one fist length is good, while others leave a two finger space. Respectfully, Scott " I always use one fist as a spacer. Tyler --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Grip Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:57:22 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Shorter stick styles will often have a finger or two width of punyo. Longer stick styles a fist+ width. The interesting thing is that the business end of the stick ends up having about the same length of reach. Some like the shorter punyo as it provides less stick for the opponent to use to hook & disarm you. Some like the longer punyo as it provides more stick for you to use to hook & disarm your opponent. The shorter punyo grip also fits in better to a bladed art since most all blades will not have a lot of punyo hanging out. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net On Aug 20, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Eternal IV wrote: > Wondering where others hold your sticks in regards to the length of > the butt > of the stick you leave. Ive heard people say one fist length is > good, while > others leave a two finger space. > > Respectfully, > Scott --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:30:29 -0700 From: Alex France Sr To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] =?windows-1252?Q?C2_=96_FOUNDATION_ELEMENTS_SEMINAR?= Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net C2 – FOUNDATION ELEMENTS SEMINAR With MICK COUP Core Combatives Founder Instructor This introductory seminar will present, cover, and confirm proven essential and fundamental skills, drills & tactics utilized within the C2 concept-model of self-protection. Focus will be on the functional development of simple, efficient & instinctive applications of dynamic physical force that can dramatically increase an individual’s ability to survive personal attack. No previous experience is required or preferred; course content is suitable for all levels of skill & ability. Instructor Profile: Mick Coup Professional Threat Management Consultant Personal Security, Safety & Protection Specialist Over 30 years martial arts involvement & training Served 12 years HM Forces (Infantry/Intelligence Operations) Instructed Civilian/Military/Police personnel internationally Date: *August 29, 2009 * Time: 9:30am – 10 am Registration, Meet & Greet. Coffee & pastries will be provided. 10am – 12 noon: Instruction/Training with short breaks as needed. 12 noon – 1 pm Lunch Break 1pm – 3pm: Instruction/Training with short breaks as needed. 4pm: End of seminar. 4pm – 5pm: Open gym / Open. Practice on your own or with others. Location: Hayward Martial Arts *1024 B Street, #1**, Hayward, CA 94541*** Note: School is not actually on B Street. School is located *inside the city block* bounded by B & C Streets, Foothill & Main. Enter from B or C Streets. For map and photo of building, go to www.HaywardMartialArts.net Fee Structure: $75 cash per person at the door. $60 (20 % discount) for groups (form your own) provided you pre-register by Thursday Aug 27th. This will tell me if I need to make an emergency move to a larger facility. Otherwise, it’s first-come, first-serve, so pre-register to ensure yourself a spot. To pre-register, call me at (925) 864-7466. Backup cell: (925) 519-2769. Or email me at AlexFranceSr@gmail.com Additional discounts: $10 off the above prices for prior Mick Coup seminar attendees. $10 off the above prices if you bring your own focus mitts or striking shields. That’s it. Be there! -- Alex(ander Bautista Bayot France) www.PhilippineMartialArtsAcademy.com Cell: (925) 864-7477 Backup Cell: (925) 519-2769 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:04:42 -0700 From: Mike Casto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Grip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net We have students start with one fist space (on 26 - 28" stick) but we explain that, over time, their personal taste will evolve and they'll find a distance that suits them. Personally, I use 2 - 3 fingers space. Mike Tyler Murphy wrote: > " Wondering where others hold your sticks in regards to the length of the butt > of the stick you leave. Ive heard people say one fist length is good, while > others leave a two finger space. > > Respectfully, > Scott " > > > I always use one fist as a spacer. > > Tyler > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply. > > Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:05:17 -0700 From: Mike Casto To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Grip Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. That's something I've always found interesting. Mike Ray wrote: > Shorter stick styles will often have a finger or two width of punyo. > Longer stick styles a fist+ width. The interesting thing is that the > business end of the stick ends up having about the same length of reach. > > Some like the shorter punyo as it provides less stick for the opponent > to use to hook & disarm you. Some like the longer punyo as it > provides more stick for you to use to hook & disarm your opponent. > > The shorter punyo grip also fits in better to a bladed art since most > all blades will not have a lot of punyo hanging out. > > Ray Terry > EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net > > > On Aug 20, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Eternal IV wrote: > >> Wondering where others hold your sticks in regards to the length of >> the butt >> of the stick you leave. Ive heard people say one fist length is good, >> while >> others leave a two finger space. >> >> Respectfully, >> Scott > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply. > > Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United > States License. > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest