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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. How effective? 1.1 (Marc Denny) 2. Is it effective? (Stephen Lamade) 3. Gathering of Warriors: Evolution of the Bladed Warrior (Mel Orpilla) 4. Re: Is it effective? (jay de leon) 5. Re: Is it effective? (Felipe Jocano) 6. RE: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #228 - 1 msg " How effective" (Eric Taimanglo) 7. Re: Is it effective? (iPat) 8. Streetfight with a knife involved (Ruel Apostol) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:37:15 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] How effective? 1.1 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What do you mean by "close combat training"? > > Message: 1 > From: darcy mckee > To: eskrima martial arts. > Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:18:34 +1000 > Subject: [Eskrima] How effective? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > As a new beginner(privatelytrained for 6 months) just how effective is > this > art when fully developed). in a kill or be killed street fight situation. > As > compared to close combat training. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Stephen Lamade To: Eskrima Digest Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:06:31 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Is it effective? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Darcy wrote: "As a new beginner(privatelytrained for 6 months) just how effective is this art when fully developed). in a kill or be killed street fight situation. As compared to close combat training." Actually, it's not too effective. People find that they keep getting killed when they fight with sharp weapons. Best, Steve --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:17:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mel Orpilla To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Gathering of Warriors: Evolution of the Bladed Warrior Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net   Gathering of Warriors: Evolution of the Bladed Warrior     In celebration of Filipino American History Month, a local group of Filipino Martial Artists (FMA) and the Pilipino Classes at Hogan High School, will be hosting “Gathering of Warriors: Evolution of the Bladed Warrior” on Sunday, November 1, from 8:30 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the school’s gymnasium. All proceeds will be donated to the Hogan High School Pilipino Classes to pay for resource materials, classroom supplies, school activities and possible fieldtrips. The event is open to the public. The event will feature demonstrations by seven styles of FMA conducted by local Guros (teachers), Masters and Grand Masters. “Most people have never seen FMA in person, only in movies or on the internet,” said Mel Orpilla, one of the organizers.  Vallejo has one of the oldest Filipino American communities in the U.S. Many of those old-timers who settled here were skilled fighters and warriors, who kept their secret fighting arts within their family and away from the public. There will be hands-on lessons for all participants regardless of their background in martial arts. Invited are Master Brando Castillo, Guro George Cabiles, Grand Master Alex France, Grand Master Emil Bautista, Grand Master Ver Villasin, Master Michael Giron, Grand Master Robert Castro and recent Martial Arts Hall of Fame inductee, Grand Master John Bais. In addition, the Hogan Pilipino Class students will provide entertainment during the day showcasing what they’re learning in their classes. Vendors selling food and Filipino items will be available throughout the day. The highlight at the end of the day will be tournament fighting demonstrations with real fighters, judges and scoring. Admission to the event is $5 for students and $10 for the general public. Hogan High School is located at 850 Rosewood Ave. at the corner of Georgia Street in Vallejo, CA.  For more information contact Mel Orpilla at (707) 477-1159 / mel9661@orpilla.comor John Santa Catalina (707) 384-4526 / johnsantacatalina@yahoo.com.   ### --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is it effective? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i read a long time ago, these are your chances of survival ina lethal encounter with both of you armed with bladed weapons. if he is better than you, you will probably be killed. if you have equal skills, all other things being equal, both of you will probably end up dead. if you are better than he, you will probably survive. so it would appear your survival rate is about 33.3%, at best. not very good odds. as many of us have reluctantly concluded, it is more prudentto apologize, run or just make sure you are in another zip code when he pulls out that barong, balisong, whatever. my unsolicited advice - just enjoyyour training and the journey. jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Stephen Lamade wrote: From: Stephen Lamade Subject: [Eskrima] Is it effective? To: "Eskrima Digest" Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 4:06 PM Darcy wrote: "As a new beginner(privatelytrained for 6 months) just how effective is this art when fully developed). in a kill or be killed street fight situation. As compared to close combat training." Actually, it's not too effective. People find that they keep getting killed when they fight with sharp weapons. Best, Steve _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is it effective? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's an.....interesting answer to Darcy's question. Makes me wonder how we can get that response from people after they're killed... ----- Original Message ---- From: Stephen Lamade To: Eskrima Digest Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 7:06:31 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Is it effective? Darcy wrote: "As a new beginner(privatelytrained for 6 months) just how effective is this art when fully developed). in a kill or be killed street fight situation. As compared to close combat training." Actually, it's not too effective. People find that they keep getting killed when they fight with sharp weapons. Best, Steve _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:35:17 +0300 From: "Eric Taimanglo" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Eskrima digest, Vol 16 #228 - 1 msg " How effective" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net -----Original Message----- Hi Darcy, To address your points - 1. "Fully developed" means different things to different people. To one person it could mean committing all the techniques of one system to memory. To another, it could mean being able to make the art work in a adrenalized state. To another it could mean simply being able to perform 1001 disarms blindfolded. What is your idea of "fully developed"? 2. What are you doing in a "kill or be killed" situation in the first place? How did you get there? If you're a deployed soldier, or a LEO, that's a no-brainer. In the "civilized" world, if you gave someone the stinky eye, or someone stinky eyed you and you stinky eye them back, you could very well be in a kill or be killed street situation. 3. Again, "Close Combat Training" means different things to different people. To me, it used to mean working on establishing a good platform for my M249, effective movement to a POD in a room, effective supporting fires, immediate action drills, etc. To someone else, it means working on WWII type chin-jab, knee, face mash combinations. And to someone else, it means learning figure 8 movements with a ginunting. What is your definition of close combat training? Let's establish your baseline and go from there. Respectfully, Eric Taji Kali Group/Kitchen Sink Combatives Iraq -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: darcy mckee To: eskrima martial arts. Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:18:34 +1000 Subject: [Eskrima] How effective? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net As a new beginner(privatelytrained for 6 months) just how effective is this art when fully developed). in a kill or be killed street fight situation. As compared to close combat training. _________________________________________________________________ Need a place to rent, buy or share? Let us find your next place for you! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:54:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is it effective? From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net depends if they signed a waiver or not ; ) its how the person translates the art, not the art itself. The 100 m sprint is an art which many know but only a few can really do. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Felipe Jocano wrote: > That's an.....interesting answer to Darcy's question. Makes me wonder how we can get that response from people after they're killed... > -- Pat Davies Ascendo tuum - Up yours --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ruel Apostol To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Streetfight with a knife involved Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Your thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY1kpFRCTvg --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest