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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Near Norfolk VA? (Marc Denny) 2. Dog Brothers Martial Arts (Marc Denny) 3. Re: what style we represent (maurice gatdula) 4. Re: Re: what style we represent (jay de leon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Marc Denny" To: Cc: "Pat Trey" Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Near Norfolk VA? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Tim: Hope all is well with you. I don't know if its within an hour drive or not, but Pat Tray's "Trident" is a place I would recommend highly. I cc this to him so that he can get in touch with you. Crafty Dog/Tim > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:19:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tim Kashino > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Querry: FMA in the Norfolk, VA area > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi all, > > I have some students relocating to the area around Norfolk, VA. Does > anyone have any reputable FMA contacts within about an hour's drive? > > r/ > > Tim > Kashino --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Cc: "Mauricio Sanchez Reyes" Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:29:18 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Dog Brothers Martial Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof Don: In Mexico City we have Guro Mauricio Sanchez. His email is sicdbma@yahoo.com Mauricio has been training with me for about six years now and has fought well at two DB Gatherings and as such is "Dog Mauricio", a member of the DB Tribe. To see ten minutes of him assisting me while I mangle the Spanish language go to http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=1949.0 The Adventure continues, Guro Crafty/Marc > From: Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness > > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:19:57 +0000 > Subject: [Eskrima] Place to train in Mexico > > I have a student that will be in the Santa Fe section of Mexico city on > business for a few weeks and wants a place to train. Anyone know of a > good > school for JKD, kickboxing, Muay Thai etc... in that area. You can email > me at > eskrima@hotmail.com. > ThanksDon --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: what style we represent Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi jay   my fighters are mostly from scratch, except for a few that came from other schools. none of the ones going today have FMA experience before, except for one that did a few months of tae kwon do before he joined in 2004 or 2003 and a little lady who did okinawan style to green belt. all of the ones going today are doing traditional style fighting, even though two will be point fighting in reno and the others are fighting muay thai. they all represent kuntaw, but two of them are my kung fu students in jow ga (one fighting point and continuous, the other is fighting full contact and muay thai). this is the triple threat series put on by johnny davis and a mexican guy, forgot the name.   we do not attract FMA people usually because i do FMA so differently. we do not use sinawali, drills or give and take kind of training. people come because of the website, and the fact that when they think of my kuntaw, they are expecting hsing yi/ba gua kind of stuff but real kuntaw and silat do not look like it, so they quit. our method is very slow and very boring, compared to how the rest of the community trains. for example, two weeks ago we did a 3 day camp, 7 hours a day, and in the camp we did almost 10,000 punches, 5,000 strikes and 3,000 kicks, sparred for almost 5 hours total for the 3 days, outside of the teaching part of the camp. everyone was crazy sore and bruised and blister for a week after. this aint like the camp people use to going to, but its a small version of my classes.\   i said all that to explain that almost all of my guys are started from the beginning because someone who is used to anyos and sinawali won't like this kind of training, and even if they stay, they have to start from the beginning, even the "guros", lol. but when i send them out, they represent FMA very well. northern california at least has respect for FMA emtpy hands around here. Visit my websites! www.typhoonma.com www.filipinofightingsecretslive.com Mabuhay! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon are your fighters being billed as FMA fighters, or something else?  are they your original students, or "retooled" students, using your training?   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: what style we represent To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i guess i got more (answers) than i bargained or asked for.  and yet i am not sure about the answer, lol.  let me explain.   i was not looking for the components of your fighting style.  i guess that is what you will present in your book.  so buy the book already, right?   what i was angling for was, do you present to the public your (empty hands) fighter as an FMA fighter, or as simply as a generic MMA fighter fighting the Gatdula system?  and as you hinted, the fighter could know the minimum of sinawali drills, but can handle himself inside the ring.   i thought one of your agendas was to be able to show people/ the public/ring tournaments, that FMA practitioners were as proficient with empty hands as with weapons.   i can relate a little bit to what you are doing.  when i had my FMA school, we did a lot of kickboxing and MMA.  i have formal muay thai, judo and jiu-jitsu training.  if i was to quantify it, you could say our classes were 2/3 arnis and 1/3 MMA (even before Royce Gracie's time, similar to the JKD people). if you go to my websites, you will see quite a few pictures of my students and myself kickboxing and even groundfighting.   i also know for a fact that our yaw yan brethren are probably the most known for incorporating ring kickboxing into their FMA, producing some champion kickboxers in the process, like emiliano zapata.  of course, they are now into MMA.   thanks.  and good luck with the book.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --- On Sat, 10/24/09, maurice gatdula wrote: From: maurice gatdula Subject: [Eskrima] Re: what style we represent To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:16 PM hi jay   my fighters are mostly from scratch, except for a few that came from other schools. none of the ones going today have FMA experience before, except for one that did a few months of tae kwon do before he joined in 2004 or 2003 and a little lady who did okinawan style to green belt. all of the ones going today are doing traditional style fighting, even though two will be point fighting in reno and the others are fighting muay thai. they all represent kuntaw, but two of them are my kung fu students in jow ga (one fighting point and continuous, the other is fighting full contact and muay thai). this is the triple threat series put on by johnny davis and a mexican guy, forgot the name.   we do not attract FMA people usually because i do FMA so differently. we do not use sinawali, drills or give and take kind of training. people come because of the website, and the fact that when they think of my kuntaw, they are expecting hsing yi/ba gua kind of stuff but real kuntaw and silat do not look like it, so they quit. our method is very slow and very boring, compared to how the rest of the community trains. for example, two weeks ago we did a 3 day camp, 7 hours a day, and in the camp we did almost 10,000 punches, 5,000 strikes and 3,000 kicks, sparred for almost 5 hours total for the 3 days, outside of the teaching part of the camp. everyone was crazy sore and bruised and blister for a week after. this aint like the camp people use to going to, but its a small version of my classes.\   i said all that to explain that almost all of my guys are started from the beginning because someone who is used to anyos and sinawali won't like this kind of training, and even if they stay, they have to start from the beginning, even the "guros", lol. but when i send them out, they represent FMA very well. northern california at least has respect for FMA emtpy hands around here. Visit my websites! www.typhoonma.com www.filipinofightingsecretslive.com Mabuhay! Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon are your fighters being billed as FMA fighters, or something else?  are they your original students, or "retooled" students, using your training?   jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2,700 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. 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