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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Michael Echanis, fwiw (Eskrima-FMA) 2. Re: Michael Echanis, fwiw (jay de leon) 3. The Golden Rhino Society (michael tomlinson) 4. Christmas help from our Stick Fighting Brothers! (Rocky Pasiwk) 5. Re: Christmas help from our Stick Fighting Brothers! (Eskrima-FMA) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Eskrima-FMA Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:01:58 -0800 To: Eskrima-Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Michael Echanis, fwiw Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Perhaps some new info to go along with the old story on Michael Echanis. He is claimed to have received a black belt in Hapkido (Hwarang Kwan), but it was his books that were sometimes difficult to obtain that were sought after by some collectors and martial artists. ======================================= Area man pursued interesting military life By Sean Hart Argus Observer Saturday, November 7, 2009 10:17 PM PST ONTARIO — Michael Echanis, a local Vietnam War hero, has a story like something out of Hollywood. And the background of George Clooney’s new movie bears striking similarities. “The Men Who Stare At Goats,” a comedic film that opened Friday, took its name from the nonfiction book by Jon Ronson — the book containing the facts upon which the satiric movie is loosely based. In the book, Ronson interviews retired U.S. Army Sergeant First Class Glenn Wheaton, who claims he was a member of a top-secret Army program that attempted to train soldiers to kill goats using only the power of their minds — and Wheaton also claims he actually saw one person perform the paranormal act: a Special Forces soldier named Michael Echanis. The book goes on to describe how Echanis had 29 confirmed kills in two months in Vietnam before being wounded and sent back to the United States and how he later died as a mercenary in Nicaragua — without ever mentioning Echanis’ small hometown of Ontario. “Echanis was born Nov. 16, 1950, at Nampa and grew up in Ontario. He attended schools here, graduating from Ontario High School in 1969. He excelled in track and basketball in high school,” his obituary in the Sept. 14, 1978, Daily Argus Observer reads. “He enlisted in the service and was wounded in Vietnam where he earned the ‘Bronze Star for Valor’ in his valiant efforts to save his unit. He was a student of the martial arts and was teaching self defense to counter- insurgency Nicaraguan National Guard at the time of his death.” Whether or not Echanis killed a goat with his mind, the true American soldier certainly earned a list of accolades in his short 27 years. According to a Sept. 11, 1978, Argus article, Echanis’ parents, Frank and Pat Echanis, Ontario, said he was “in Nicaragua training troops in guerrilla or hand-to-hand combat” at the time of his death in an aviation incident with “sketchy” details. Echanis, the article continues, was a former member of the Army Special Forces, or Green Berets. “Echanis distinguished himself by valorous actions when the truck in which he was a passenger was ambushed. Spc. Four Echanis immediately opened fire on the enemy ... wounded in the left foot, he disregarded the pain, reloaded his weapon and continued to fire on the enemy ... he was hit in the head by fragmentation from a small arms round,” a February, 1971, Argus article detailing how Echanis earned his medal in Vietnam reads: “Still undaunted, he moved to the rear of the truck to engage the enemy. Although in pain and partially blinded by his head wound, he saw the blurred figure of an approaching NVA ... he remained exposed to the intense enemy fire and silenced the foe. He then lay down in the truck to reload his weapon and was wounded a third time. Wounded again, he continued to fight until the beleaguered truck was relieved.” After being sent back to the United States because of his war wounds, Echanis, who was “not a very big guy” when he enlisted in the service, grew substantially, according to a childhood friend from Ontario, Ben Plaza. “He did a lot of rehab and built himself up. His foot was pretty badly injured, but he did a lot of rehab and bulked up and really got into the martial arts,” Plaza said. “But then he got into some mystical things too — I mean like Carlos Castaneda books. He was into a lot of mystical things, a lot of mind control things. Like trying to stop a clock — I heard about it, but I never saw him try it — which I guess is in the same vein as the whole movie thing.”Although the Argus article from 1978 does not comment on mysticism or goats, it does mention Echanis “earned a black belt in Korean ‘Hwarangdo’ ” and “was a contributor to a number of military publications,” including three books on self-defense. Echanis’ mother said, in the 1978 article, she had spoken to her son the week before his death, and he told her he was concerned about the spread of communism and that people in the United States don’t realize how good they “have it.” She said he also told her he still gets tears in his eyes when he sees “the Stars and Stripes flying.” The patriotic Vietnam veteran was laid to rest in Sunset Cemetery in Ontario, Sept. 16, 1978, and insight into the Army’s alleged top-secret goat program may have been buried with him. Nevertheless, the Green Beret, martial arts master and Bronze Star recipient from Ontario certainly earned a reputation as an eccentric soldier. “I never heard anything about goats, but ... he was very impressive and imposing in a way that was — you could tell his mind was very controlled and strong. It was all the disciplinary things that he was studying,” Plaza said. “He was imposing that way — and intimidating.” --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:56:45 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Michael Echanis, fwiw To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net before y'all rush out to see the movie...   i saw the movie over the weekend, and i cannot recommend it.   whether on a comedic level or as a tongue-in-cheek expose' of the attempts of the army at paranormal training for "special" forces, it did not work for me at either or any level.  i found it unfunny and not intellectually engaging.   there are a lot of references to martial arts stuff like esoteric knife fighting techniques and even dim mak, but it is all hearsay in the movie.   normally, i like the work of jeff bridges and kevin spacey who have had many quirky roles in the past, but their roles here bordered on the cartoonish.   as in all movie reviews, the caveat here is, "de gustibus non est disputandum."  there is no accounting for taste, meaning, to each his own taste.   jay de leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com   p.s.  the above review has nothing to do, and in no way detracts from the accomplishments of michael echanis, a couple of whose books i have in my library somewhere. --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Eskrima-FMA wrote: From: Eskrima-FMA Subject: [Eskrima] Michael Echanis, fwiw To: "Eskrima-Digest" Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:01 PM Perhaps some new info to go along with the old story on Michael Echanis.  He is claimed to have received a black belt in Hapkido (Hwarang Kwan), but it was his books that were sometimes difficult to obtain that were sought after by some collectors and martial artists. ======================================= Area man pursued interesting military life By Sean Hart Argus Observer Saturday, November 7, 2009 10:17 PM PST ONTARIO — Michael Echanis, a local Vietnam War hero, has a story like something out of Hollywood. And the background of George Clooney’s new movie bears striking similarities. “The Men Who Stare At Goats,” a comedic film that opened Friday, took its name from the nonfiction book by Jon Ronson — the book containing the facts upon which the satiric movie is loosely based. In the book, Ronson interviews retired U.S. Army Sergeant First Class Glenn Wheaton, who claims he was a member of a top-secret Army program that attempted to train soldiers to kill goats using only the power of their minds — and Wheaton also claims he actually saw one person perform the paranormal act: a Special Forces soldier named Michael Echanis. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: michael tomlinson To: Dojang Digest Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:52:15 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] The Golden Rhino Society Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just wanted to give people a heads up again on the book sold on amazon.com called "Transpersonal Warrior" "the Golden Rhino Perspective"...this first book will be in a series of nine books that will encompass all the required objectives for anyone who is interested in challenging themselves to reach the level of where some of our Special Operators are when it comes to Martial Arts, physical fitness, shooting. swimming, skydiving, cardio, language, religion, etc.. the books are written by a good friend of mine and are really interesting. The first book is a overview and historical archive on what the Golden Rhino Society is and how it was created, the website for the GRS is in the works right now. This is an interesting book written and created by some no nonsense guys who are in the game and live the life....check it out if you get a chance.... Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Rocky Pasiwk To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Christmas help from our Stick Fighting Brothers! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Rocky here,    We have a little boy here in Michigan, who is in stage 4 of his fight with Cancer, there is no stage 5! He was on the news, his family is celebrating Christmas this next week, because he probably won't make it till Dec. 25th. All he wants for Christmas is Christmas cards from all over the world.    I was hoping maybe everyone here can help. No body is asking for money or anything else just a Christmas card, even if you don't celebrate Christmas, amybe you could send him a Holiday Card.     Thank You in advance!     Here is his address:   Noah Biorkman 1141 Fountian Viewcircle South Lyon, Mi 48178 U.S.A     Thank You --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Christmas help from our Stick Fighting Brothers! From: Eskrima-FMA Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:17:46 -0800 To: Eskrima-Digest Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fwiw, these things are frequently spam, but per http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/medical/biorkman.asp this one is true. Except that the snailmail address has been updated and is shown at URL given above. I'll send one! Ray On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Rocky Pasiwk wrote: > Rocky here, > > We have a little boy here in Michigan, who is in stage 4 of his fight with > Cancer, there is no stage 5! He was on the news, his family is celebrating > Christmas this next week, because he probably won't make it till Dec. 25th. > All he wants for Christmas is Christmas cards from all over the world. > > I was hoping maybe everyone here can help. No body is asking for money or > anything else just a Christmas card, even if you don't celebrate Christmas, > amybe you could send him a Holiday Card. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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