From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #3 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 003 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Fed, assoc, alliance or two guys who meet on the 3rd Tue of the Mo. the_dojang: Re: Eric Mueller the_dojang: Re: Quality control (and the ATA) the_dojang: Successive Kicking Defense the_dojang: RE: Respect the_dojang: Proof of Kukkiwon the_dojang: Jr national Divisions the_dojang: Election Process the_dojang: Dormitory Training and Live In Courses the_dojang: Re: digest 515 the_dojang: More sparring technique the_dojang: back in sunny Calif. ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:37:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fed, assoc, alliance or two guys who meet on the 3rd Tue of the Mo. Karla wrote: If you are a dojang owner and part of an organization that is not looking out for your interests, you can change to one that will or become independent. As much as we may see movies such as Karate Kid and Side Kicks as mind candy, there is something to the you don't need a school or affiliation to accomplish what you need or want to. Tang Soo! Karla Karla....Thank you for pointing this out. I think I make for a good example of what you are saying. I have belonged to several TSD organization (and still do because a couple were lifetime member fees), but I decided to go independent. It seemed the only way I could go as I grew farther and farther removed from the style and goals of these federations. I didn't run out and start "John Hancock's Immaculate Universal Tang Soo Do Brotherhood of Knights of the Midnightblue Belts" or any other such nonesense. I refer to my "business ventures" as 'Midnightblue Martial Arts' simply to honor my roots to TSD, but I pretty much am doing stuff that has diverged from the core (actually spending more time these days with Tai Chi than anything else). But my Tang Soo Do...is just that...Tang Soo Do....no longer Moo Duk Kwan...not Mi Guk Kwan...not Hung-Lo Guk Kwan....not anything....just Tang Soo Do. No..not Kwon Bup, or Soo Bahk or Kong Soo, or Tae Soo or Taekyon.....Just Tang Soo Do. Those that take time to work with me and listen to me realize that for a fat guy that is getting old...I do know a thing or two and I know what I'm talking about. And for an out of shape fat guy who is gettin' old....I can still take a punch and make you pay for it with a little retaliatory pain. "Hey...the old fat guy can really kick?!!" So...who needs and organization. Well..I can only think of one time....and that is if you are like me...and no mater how much to absorb from whatever source...you still won't SELF PROMOTE. In other words....I don't just wake up one morning and say..."Hey...today I think I'm a 10th Dan Grandmaster...and I'm gonna start my own organization....just so I can collect some membership fees from folks I've never met nor will I probably ever teach how to even do Choon Bi!" OK..enough said. Thumbs up to your wisdon and insight Karla! (wink wink nod nod) John Hancock Old Fat Guy Kwon Do ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:52:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Eric Mueller Mr Mueller, I have been following your story about Jason with particular interest. You see...I once has a student with exceptional ability. I had to close my school though..but he was referred to a fine TKD instructor in the area. I moved away you see. But...I've come back...and now I have seen this kid mature to Black Belt...and he is every bit as gifted as I foretold. ONly...his current school does not do tournaments much like Jason's old school. I too was never into the tournament scene being a classicalist...but I have done it and can do it and don't mind doing it. So...to put a point on this...here's this kid now at a level where I really really want to coach him...'cause I literally see this kid as a champion someday and a model at the least...possible an action film extra, stunt person or star at best. He's a good looking kid who could make a name for himself. ONly...he won't. You see. He is burned out at his old school and lost interest. Everything was too easy for him to do...and no challenge...and no coaching and no pushing him to be more...be better. SO he just lost interest. It is a shame. I hope to convince him to take up lessons once again. His parents are supportive of this. They would like me to coach him...and I'd be happy too...but he has to want to do it...and frankly...with the burn out...it is hard to compete with a 16 year olds interest in girls. I hope this kid isn't lost to Martial Arts...but if he does want to be a star...he has to start now...as a few years of inactivity will be the death knell of his opportunities (I know...I started way too late to get the kind of instruction I myself would have needed to be exceptional...and I didn't have this kids natural gifts). So..I empathize with your situation and I applaud how well you have handled it. You did the right thing. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:57:36 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Quality control (and the ATA) > > No quality control? Obviously you know nothing about the ATA. (Maybe you reall > > don't know about the ATA - you didn't lis > > > > it wasn't me that made the quality control comment, but do not think the > ATA is to be left out. A good friend ran an ATA dojang for several years. > - -- > His experience wasn't all that positive. > > Ray I'd be interested in understanding more details about your friend's experience. My wife, daughter, and I have been in the ATA for about 2 1/2 years now. All in all, I've been pretty pleased with the school and the curriculum. The training is (apparently) not as intensive as some of the curricula/testing mentioned on this and other mailing lists, but that might be a good thing, as it keeps me in it. I've had the opportunity to visit (and train in) other ATA schools, in/around Dallas, Indianapolis, and Vancouver, and I've been very pleased with the quality of training in those schools. I really appreciate the consistency in terms of teaching forms, etc. (I should mention that Halle Fraser, in Vancouver, is particularly amazing...!) I've had my own concerns about the commercial aspects of the ATA, but, as was mentioned, I could always go elsewhere (though this is complicated by the natural urge to stick with the known, especially if you've been with an organization for a while). My net opinion is that yes, the ATA is a commercial entity, but the people have good intentions, good skills, and good facilities. So, I'll stick with 'em...! - -- Paul Rogers -- Round Rock, TX ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 08:08:28 PST Subject: the_dojang: Successive Kicking Defense Do either of you practice side stepping drills? Beleive it or not see many students only step straight back, when they could side step and open the oppenent up right away. I would be curious myself to find out what kinds of drills anyone here practices to prevent the student from backing themselves into a corner/wall. ====================================== I'd never move more than one step back or an aggressive opponent will control and dominate you in the ring. It will also look that way to a referee even if you don't feel the person is controlling you. Stand your ground and move into the person aggressively, do the side step as mentioned above or you can also do a 360 degree rotation adding to that an appropriate spinning crescent kick and following up with another kick or punch depending on the circumstances. Rotating in a circular movement to the right or left (about 180 degrees) can in itself be effective and disorienting to your opponent. I would always recommend a followup to any movement with a kick or punch. I find combinations more effective than singular movements. Any of these combinations need mobility and lightness on your feet and the ability to rotate yourself without losing balance or control after the execution of your combinations. Added to this should be power and strength in your movements. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:48:19 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Respect >>I personally consider respect to be a two way street, I am told this is an American thing...I don't know.<< Yes, you are told right. That view is an American thing. ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:35:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Proof of Kukkiwon For USTU National events where "a copy of the Kukkiwon Certificate" is required, will the Wallet sized card suffice, or will I need to take My sons Kukkiwon Cert. out of the frame and Make a full sized copy? Thanks Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:48:05 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Jr national Divisions Two quick questions regarding Junior State -> Nationals. 1. If a Child is say 9yrs old at the Time of the State Jr. Olympics, but will turn 10 before the National are held, will the Child: A. Compete at both the state and Nationals in the 8-9yr old division? B. Compete at both the state and Nationals in the 10-11 yr old division? C. Compete at State in the 8-9 Yr old Division, and Then the Nationals in the 10-11 yr old division? 2. If a Child is in one Weight Division at states, but then Gains/or looses enough weight to put him/her in a diffrent weight catagory, will the child: A. Compete at both the state and Nationals in the Origional weight division? B. Compete at State in the Origional weight Division, and Then the Nationals in the New (current) weight division division? Thanks Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:29:49 PST Subject: the_dojang: Election Process Would someone please post the procedures on how the USTU elects their officers, how often the elections take place, who has voting rights, and which officers are elected and which ones are appointed and any qualifications that are necessary if you want to be considered a candidate. If there is already information out there could you please post the web address. Thank you. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "G. Booth" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:43:31 +1100 Subject: the_dojang: Dormitory Training and Live In Courses To the list. I have recently added dormitory facilities to my Dojang and I am looking at shortly offering a live in course (over a month) to Taekwondo stylists and others who wish to learn Hapkido. The course I am planning shuld take about a month to complete and we will offer a range of training and facilities to make this a course to remember. I am wondering if others on the list have had any experiences with live type courses and if you have any comments or feedback on them. I am also wondering is there a term for live in student in Korean like the Japanese "Uchi Desi". Regards and Happy New Year to all Master Geoff J. Booth Australian Hapkido Group http://hapkido.netro.com.au "The art is in the person, all we have to do is bring it out" ------------------------------ From: Eduardo Miranda Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:55:56 -0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: digest 515 Greg comments about federations brought an important issue. Sometimes we have to chose between our loyalty to our GM and our belief. Unfortunately what Karla suggest, change if you're unhappy, is imposible: It isn't easy to change your flag, you have to inform your students, up date yourself and even teach new forms that you have never practiced before!!! Beside that, do you trust in a dojang that keep changing its style??!! no way!! PS: What is about these ATA guys? they seem to be in religion or something like that!!! Nothing is perfect, you have keep your mind open and accept your imperfection, otherwhise we would never evolve. Best regards for all, Eduardo Miranda ------------------------------ From: "=^~..~^=" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:46:00 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: More sparring technique Hi Stacy, In reply to your query, we practice all sorts of drills in class, it's up to the student to apply them. At our dojang, we're lucky enough to get guest instructors who give seminars on a variety of techniques, and in the past we've also had some very good masters who specialize in sparring. I myself tend to turn alot. As a former dancer, I can turn and spot at the same time, and this tends to confuse opponents who aren't familiar with it. I'm a fairly mobile target and an aggressive one as well. Throw a technique and I'll tend to move away or spin away and then I try to find that split second opening to get aggressive. We're also taught to throw multiple techniques. I'm told there are little things I do that give away the fact that I'm about to attack. I'm trying to work on keeping a more "neutral" demeanor throughout a sparring session. Someone also mentioned the "your turn, my turn" mentality that sometimes emerges while sparring. It's always useful to find out if the opponent you're sparring falls into the pattern, because then when you decide to really get aggressive, they are totally thrown off guard. Our instructors discourage "your turn, my turn", so not many at our school follow this pattern once they've been there for awhile. I agree with the writer who said that you don't have to wait until your opponent has finished before you get aggressive. In fact, its recommended that you counter while your opponent is committed. The problem with this is when you run into more experienced opponents who can appear to have committed to throwing one kick, just to see if you will fall into set responses, then they fake and change once YOU commit and then score as a result of your error. Of course that's another discussion altogether. ;-} Peace! Alexa Krueger ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: back in sunny Calif. I'm now back home in sunny California... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #3 ****************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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