From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #5 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 005 In this issue: the_dojang: Darkness Training the_dojang: For Whatever! the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #4 the_dojang: camoflauge belts the_dojang: Enrollment Caps Re: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? the_dojang: Re: ATA the_dojang: TAKE A LOOK the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:17:11 PST Subject: the_dojang: Darkness Training For folks on this list that do awareness and self defense training do any of you do darkness training? If you do - is it done within a completely dark or semi-dark facility or do you take this training out of doors at night? While a lot of people can be attacked during the daylight hours I think we would all agree that nightime increases the risk and with that risk would come a change in our abilities to perceive an attacker which may also decrease self-confidence both in females and males. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:31:32 PST Subject: the_dojang: For Whatever! For Whatever - something fun I do with kids (young and old) for awareness training and that is blindfolding individuals and then letting them try to hit a pinata. Every once in awhile when things need a jumpstart this is great fun. More fun with lots of good chewy chocolate candy. However if you're watching your fat intake you could use a ball for the exercise too! P.S. this is a good exercise for beginners to do in the privacy of their own home too. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:42:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #4 > From: Stan Lim > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:08:18 -0800 > Subject: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? > > Hello, people! > > I am going on a 2 day business trip to Seoul, Korea > later this month, and this will be my first trip there. > Unfortunately, I won't have any time for sightseeing, > but I would like to get any pointers in how to interact > with Korean business men. Should I bow? Do I need to > bring small gifts? Do Koreans make a ceremony out of > exchanging business cards (like some Japanese do?). First...what part of Korea are you going to...you never know...you might just be able to squeeze in a couple of quick look sees at something interesting.Second....forget the gift ideal. Later on if you develop a relationship with someone..you can pursue that...but initially...it can cause some awkward Kibun moments. Now if your Company wants to give a gift to the rep of their company...OK...just make sure it is presented as such (and liqueor is always a good choice...preferable something uniquely American they can't readily get...Like Jack Daniels). But don't make any personal gifts...it creates an obligation and can be an embarrassment to your host if he isn't prepared. Here's a tip...you are the guest...according to Kibun...you have no obligations...but if you give a gift personally...you will create a situation of obligation your host MUST ablige by then getting you an even better gift. SO..keep it impersonal initially. Business Cards...YES YES YES....get them printed in English and have Hangul on the back if you can find someone to do it. This is a business must. Have plenty on hand and when ever you are introduced...pass them out most freely. You should shake if they offer to shake your hand. If they don't stick out their hand to impress you with their knowledge of Western customs...go straight for you business cards and give a short bow as you present you card (tip..present with card in right hand and place left palm against right forearm. Receive their card in a like manner...bow and receive with right hand...both hands is even more polite...just go with what feel right...OK?) After the card and bows are done...then extend your hand to shake. THis is good for two reasons...One..it shows you are not subserviant to them....and two...it is your Western custom of good fellowship...and trust me...they do know this. Just give a good firm hand shake...no squeezing, no death grips..one or two shakes at best then release. If you can initiate it and break it first...you will have establish a sublime stature of authority in all further negotiations. > > > Any tips and pointers would be helpful. Thanks. > > Stan > > ps: What's the weather like? I'm told it is cold. Well...that depends on where you will be going and where you will be coming from. But...I suggest you pack for Cold weather. However...there are some really, really , really good bargains to be found in Itaewon (that's in Seoul) and you might just want to save some room and buy a nice winter coat while you are there (hey...they have some really neat dragon embroidered coats that Martial Artists love....don't pass up the opportunity to get one to bring back...shouldn't be more than $35 to $40 tops...and if you can wait and pick it up the next day...they will embroider what ever you want on it) Hey....enjoy your trip!! John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Mike Bradley Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:39:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: camoflauge belts >* Camoflauge belt - most outsiders think it's silly. Always a point of conversation. But it doesn't really hurt anything. Kids like it.< Where in the ATA does a Camoflauge belt rank? What keup would that be? Mike Bradley Denver, CO (go Broncos) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:46:47 PST Subject: the_dojang: Enrollment Caps Yeah I know you'll probably say - "you've got to be kidding!!," but I'm serious. Do any schools/instructors put enrollment limits to their classes or their more popular time slots - 20, 30, 80 students??? Do you ever reach a saturation point where your teaching is adversely affected because of too big classes or maybe not enough help or are you able to accommodate everyone that enrolls. Jamaica ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:00:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? > I am going on a 2 day business trip to Seoul, Korea > later this month, and this will be my first trip there. > Unfortunately, I won't have any time for sightseeing, > but I would like to get any pointers in how to interact > with Korean business men. Should I bow? Yes, the little head bow as you shake their hand (left hand fingers supporting the right forearm) is sufficient. > Do I need to > bring small gifts? Not really. Maybe only to those you have met before. > Do Koreans make a ceremony out of > exchanging business cards (like some Japanese do?). Yes. Give/accept using two hands. > ps: What's the weather like? I'm told it is cold. Check out http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/kr__seoul.html Seoul will have a low of 9 degF on Friday. Is that cold to you? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:12:30 EST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA I have an acquaintance who owns an ATA school and he permitted me to view his rank examination for his students. They were not too impressive, but they were very enthusiastic about learning and had very good "dojang" manners. My friend and I would get together 2-3 times a month to work out together and "exchange techniques" (read "free spar"). We had a great time. He showed me all of the programs he could tap into as an ATA school owner and it was quite impressive. The bottom line is that I came away thinking the ATA is a lot less "McDojang" than what is commonly perceived by most ITF/WTF folks. Peter M. ------------------------------ From: John Hancock <4karate@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 20:32:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TAKE A LOOK Hi folks. OK...for those of you that missed it....take a look at this and then post your comments: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Pagoda/9536/chang.html John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #5 ****************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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