From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 7 Jan 1999 Vol 06 : Num 007 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Camouflage belts the_dojang: Burn Out the_dojang: Re: ATA the_dojang: Re: darkness training the_dojang: Re: ATA the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? Re: the_dojang: Re: ATA Re: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? the_dojang: USA Team TKD Coach the_dojang: ATA the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Rogers Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:07:50 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Camouflage belts <<>* Camoflauge belt - most outsiders think it's silly. Always a point of conversation. But it doesn't really hurt anything. Kids like it.< Where in the ATA does a Camoflauge belt rank? What keup would that be? Mike Bradley>> It would be 6th geup, the 4th belt up from white (9th geup) of a nine colored belt system: White - 9th Orange - 8th Yellow - 7th "Camo" - 6th Green - 5th Purple - 4th Blue - 3rd Brown - 2nd Red - 1st I've heard of "High Red" and maybe even "High Brown", but perhaps this is the GM Lee's WTTU affiliate of the ATA... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:11:41 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Burn Out John Wrote: > You see. He is burned out at his old school and lost >interest. Everything was too easy for him to do...and no challenge...and no coaching >and no pushing him to >be more...be better. SO he just lost interest. It is a shame. >So..I empathize with your situation and I applaud how well you have handled it. You >did the right thing. >John Hancock Thanks John. I think the move was right on target. Jason is again bugging me almost every night: "Daddy, lets practice; Daddy watch my forms, Daddy Hold the Pads for me", Daddy guess what I did in practice today.... I Love Being Bugged. Eric ------------------------------ From: jberwin@sc45.dseg.ti.com (John Brett Erwin 972-952-3738 ERWN) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:30:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA wow! lots of ATA responses, cool! I have responses to several ATA posts... >DISCLAIMER: I am not a TaeKwon-Do person of any flavor. >While I find much of the above laudable, the problem in it that I see is >that the ATA is trying to be all things to all people: (Korean) >TaeKwon-Do... with newly-invented forms, Filipino weapons, Japanese >weapons, Brazilian ground fighting, aerobics, Chinese Tai Chi... does this >not sound like a problem? It can be a problem if not handles correctly, but I think ATA is doing a good job of gradually introducing new "things" to the org. By that it seems like I've seen about 2-3 formal programs introduced every year. They recognize that not every ATA practicioner has time to do all of that stuff, and they know that not even the ATA Masters can "master" all of it. So I beleive they are dividing it up among certain people to be responsible for certain aspects. Imagine if each ATA master was repsonsible for a program, and every new ATA master was responsible for introducing a new program to fill a niche. Many ATA high ranks "defected" from other styles/orgs and brought much of this stuff with them. Traditional Taekwondo is the first priority with the other stuff available to suppliment training for student retention, increased/expanded student base, fun, etc. Imagine going to a university and getting a degree in engineering. You would still have some electives to take such as (philosophy, history, advanced math, etc). The other stuff that ATA offers are similar to college electives. >I also saw an ATA school's website where the 3-section staff was mentioned. I forgot about that one, it's new too. I can't wait to see the form. >Oooh, tell me more (if you have additional info.)...! One thing about >the ATA (for lower ranks, anyway) is that there is only emphasis on >the external/conditioning/non-ki elements of martial arts. That's why >I supplement my ATA practice with (Yang) Tai Chi. I hope the ATA >version is not just the "Beijing 24". I couldn't say. But if memory serves they are developing multiple levels (maybe 5) for the Tai-Chi stuff. It was listed on the web page. >I'm trying to incorporate a double kick in my sparring. I've already >had one instructor remark that the first kick (round to the side or back) >was illegal. I'm sure I could defeat a true Olympic-style opponent >with this already; they'd be easy to dispatch, since they'd be rolling >on the ground, laughing uncontrollably...8?). Don't hold back your training/experimentation of new techniques and combos soely because they're "illegal" in tournaments! Go ahead and practice and develop the skills, then simply adjust the target to make it appropriate for tournaments. I do LOTS of double-kicks all the time at tournys - adjust for legal targets. - - Regards, Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: Fred Madero Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:47:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: darkness training < Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:28:33 PST Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA From: Steven Gilmore Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:19:18 - -0600 Subject: the_dojang: ATA> >* Now has a large collection of seminars/curriculum on weapons and > training suppliments such as:> - single and double escrima sticks > - single and double nunchaku> - long staff > - self-defense with a hooked cane (really cool and fun) > - knife throwing (??? this one is new to me ???)> - joint manipulation > - ground fighting (learned from Gracies) > - Sexual Harrassment Awareness and Rape Prevention (SHARP) > - Pressure Point Control Tactics (PPCT)> - cardio kickboxing aerobics > - Most of these (if not all) ATA developed as programs by learning > from Masters of other arts/orgnaizations>>* Recently added Tai-Chi clinics> >* Recently added Olympic-style sparring clinics (I wouldn't be surprised > to see Black Belts sparring this way in ATA tournys in the future) Hello everyone, Correct if I am wrong, but I thought that TKD was a Korean martial art based on foot and hand techniques only. Weapons should not be involved at all, don't get me wrong though. I understand that weapons and other techniques can be taught to develop new skills. But don't you think that ATA (perhaps for commercial purposes?) is losing the TKD spirit diluted in a mix of everything? I have never been to one of their dojang, but from what I read on that list it looks very different from the ITF/WTF. I don't think that they have schools other here in London. Stephan, ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:02:39 -0800 Subject: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? Mr. Terry and Mr. Hancock, Thanks for the tips on Korean business etiquette. I hope I get a chance to see a few places and perhaps buy a new uniform or two. I'll only be there for two days, so I probably won't be able to have anything custom made. Kamsahamnida, Stan ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:12:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: ATA > Correct if I am wrong, but I thought that TKD was a Korean martial art > based on foot and hand techniques only. Weapons should not be involved > at all, don't get me wrong though. Even in Gen. Choi's TKD books weapons defense/Hosinsul is taught. Building upon that, IMHO, the best way to learn to defend against a weapon is to learn how to use that weapon. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Korean Business Customs? > Thanks for the tips on Korean business etiquette. > > I hope I get a chance to see a few places and perhaps buy > a new uniform or two. I'll only be there for two days, so > I probably won't be able to have anything custom made. Given you're WTF, you have to drop by the Kukkiwon. It is near a subway stop and very easy to get to. About 1/3 of the way up the hill to the Kukkiwon, on the left side, is Sang Moo Sa. You might get a uniform there. Behind the Kukkiwon, over the cafe, is a small museum. You gotta check it out, too. It won't take long. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:19:31 EST Subject: the_dojang: USA Team TKD Coach Coach Lee's first video has been released! This Tape #1.. Kicking, Stances, Steps and Check Motions, has received great reviews from the TKD public! If you have not ordered yours yet, you can at www.CoachHanLee.com This is a secured server and your video tape will be shipped right away. US National Team Members and the Coach himself demonstrate all the techniques discussed. The tape contains 55 minutes of great teaching by Coach Lee. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:48:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: ATA I talked to my ATA instructor friend about the concerns he had with the ATA. As I expected it was $$ and politics, something most any MA org is going to have problems with. When an instructor has students that advance to become an instructor and then branch out to form their own ATA school, the original instructor is supposed to get $$ from the ATA. Apparently that wasn't happening and so the original instructor was going to pull out of the ATA taking with him all the instructors/schools under him. Who knows the complete story??? Perhaps the ATA didn't pay for a good reason. Just wanted to complete the circle since I had opened my big mouth... I think my original comment was wrt to quality control and this would appear to have nothing to do with quality control. Sorry... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #7 ****************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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